justinb138 0 #51 November 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteLife in prison here is not really life in prison. Then truly make it life in prisoin and get rid of the death penalty.... I think someone down in Austin is working on that. I believe life in prison carries a minimum sentence of 30 years, which recently changed to 40. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #52 November 22, 2005 [disclaimer] I am completely against the death penalty on principle [/disclaimer] The fundamental problem with the death penalty is the complete inability to reverse it. The fundamental problem with the whole Criminal-Justice system is it's adversarial basis. When something (say a murder) is perpetrated, then the police officers are under pressure to "get a result" (a "result" - somebody charged & put to court - is a success & the path to riches & power is paved with such successes). Then we come to the "Glorified School Debate" which is the court process. One team whose SOLE purpose is to prove the accused's guilt and another team whose SOLE purpose is to prove the accused's innocence. Once againthe path to riches, fame & power is paved with "successes"! Is it really any wonder that the search for truth is lost in this maelstrom of people striving for success? Is it any wonder that any achievement of justice in such circumstances is purely accidental? Would you trust YOUR life to such a system? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #53 November 22, 2005 I wouldn't and it is the prime reason why I am against the death penalty.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #54 November 22, 2005 >Would you trust YOUR life to such a system? No, not intirely, but I do carry a gun to help even the odds, or increase my odds. But I believe a large number of us although verbally do not support a death penalty would in fact kill if required to. But it is a choice, not everyone would and thats why some of us have to step in and place ya in a body bag and try to find the guilty party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #55 November 22, 2005 QuoteThat death penalty has worked really well for you guys...just look at how few people get killed in the US on a yearly basis....great deterrent.... If you were replying to me in this, then you are off on a tangent. We were talking about keeping the victim's and jury's and court's emotional content out of the process - how hard that is - and that judgements need to be driven by objectivity and facts, not emotion. That applies to sentencing of any crime, not just those eligible to the death penalty. Your point is pertinent to the topic, but not as a reply to our tangent. Edit: to yours, I think 'deterrence' is a side effect of punishment, not the prime reason nor should be considered in how the system is structured. The purpose is to keep those specific individuals capable of repeating an offense from doing it to someone else - the other stuff has to be secondary to that (deterrence, closure, rehab, etc.) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #56 November 22, 2005 Quote...but I do carry a gun to help even the odds, or increase my odds... Err... How does a gun help against the Criminal-Justice System? Shooting your way out of an arrest or court wouldn't exactly be seen as a sign of innocence!! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #57 November 22, 2005 A little of topic... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loonix 0 #58 November 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteLets say he is proven to be innocent. Then surely, someone must be put on death row for his murder, right? Who should it be? (I'm not asking ChasingBlueSky this, but everyone in favor of the death penalty) Why does someone NEED to die? Does revenge help at all? In my opinion, nobody NEEDS to die. I'm following the pro-death penalty rethorics here. (I do not support it) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
