artistcalledian 0 #151 November 27, 2005 QuoteNow you're just making an ass of yourself. i thought i'd join in with everybody else ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #152 November 27, 2005 QuoteIn case you didn't catch it John, I was being incredibly sarcastic. Cops running around w/o the proper means to defend themselves and stop criminals is just lunacy. P.S. I own several guns and couldn't live w/o them! Yes, I did catch that in your message. I used my reply to your message for general comments, and did not intend them to be directed specifically towards you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #153 November 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteYour girlfriend doesn't deserve to be a police officer. Would she let a criminal escape if she had to run a quarter-mile and get all sweaty to catch him? What about if she had to wrestle the suspect and get her hair messed up? are you for real? try reading my other posts on why she would not be prepair do kill somebody I'm just trying to figure out where she draws the line. If she's not willing to shoot a violent criminal in order to apprehend him and prevent him from harming more citizens later, then I wonder what other limits she puts on her actions. Would she use pepper-spray on a criminal? What about whacking him with a baton? Fisticuffs? Where does she draw the line on inflicting violence upon criminals in order to apprehend them? How is she going to feel when she lets a rapist get away because she's unwilling to shoot, and that rapist goes on to victimize yet more women because of her inaction? Will that give her a clean conscience? How far is she willing to go to stop a violent criminal? Would she walk into an armed robbery situation, unarmed herself, as the female British police officers did that were recently shot? Or would she stand outside and do nothing, allowing the robbers to victimize the citizens, because she's unwilling to pull a gun on criminals? Do tell us. QuoteI've read many of your gun toting posts on here, you're the really nice person who takes their gun to a DZ aren't you I keep a self defense handgun in my car. So whereever I go, the gun goes with me: to the drop zone, to the grocery store, to work, everywhere! I am a nice person, and the presence of my gun has nothing to do with that one way or the other. Do you feel like I'm a bad person just because I have a gun? Are all people without guns good people? Are all people with guns bad people? If you give a good person a gun, does that turn him into a bad person? Quoteare you in the police yourself? Explain the relevance of the question. Do you want to suppress debate here by everyone except certified police officers? Is your opinion somehow more valid because your girlfriend is a police officer? Does that make you an expert on guns, crime and policing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #154 November 27, 2005 QuoteI also note you highlight the fact that 43% would carry if required to. The converse of that of course is that 57%, more than half the country's police force, would not be prepared to carry even if required to do so. If that's the case what would we see happen were police required to carry? Would we see a national strike of police officers? Would more than half the force walk out of their positions over night? That more than half the police in the country would not be prepared to wear a firearm even if required to do so is an immensely strong statement about their wishes. Yes it is, but 43% is no trivial number either, and is also a strong statement. Since they seem to acknowledge that they need more armed officers, the sensible thing to do would seem to be to make it an option. If an officer wants to carry a gun, let them undergo additional training for that. If another doesn't want to carry, that's fine too. America is doing this now with airline pilots, as an anti-terrorism measure. Those pilots who wish to have a gun in the cockpit can undergo special training for that. But no pilot is required to do it. It's interesting to note that those who don't want a gun themselves, still want someone else with a gun from an armed response unit to come rescue them when they get in trouble. So that's a bit hypocritical, in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #155 November 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteThat more than half the police in the country would not be prepared to wear a firearm even if required to do so is an immensely strong statement about their wishes. and its also a measure of the quality of these people who put their life on the line WITHOUT wanting to be armed. Its incredibly brave of somebody to volunteer to do that job without the desire to be armed, i think it takes more courage to do that job unarmed than i does to do it with a gun strapped to your side... There is a fine line between courage and foolishness. It also takes a lot of courage to make a base jump without a reserve parachute. And sometimes the foolishness aspect of that courage causes death. Just because a police officer carries a gun for the rare chance that he'll need it to save his or someone else's life, does not mean that he is any less courageous than an unarmed officer. In fact, since the armed cop is willing to go further to save life and catch crooks, it could be said that he is the braver of the two. It doesn't take much bravery to be like your girlfriend, and let bad guys escape because she doesn't have the means to stop them. Heck, anybody can stand by and do nothing. It's the men of action who interject themselves into dangerous situations that are the heros. QuoteOh and Johnrich, its very nice of you to have a personal attack on my girlfriend Since your girlfriend isn't here, it isn't personal. And you are the one who brought her into this discussion and injected her anti-gun philosophy. So you opened the door on the subject, and made her ideas fair game. It's not about her, it's about her ideas. There is a difference. Quoteyou're an easy taget yourself, but i'd get banned for saying how you look... my comments about your appearence would be a bit harsh I really don't care what you think of my looks. That's irrelevant to the discussion here. Handsomeness doesn't make an argument more valid, nor ugliness less. My criticism of your girlfriend was limited to her philosophy about unarmed law enforcement. The fact that you somehow think that insults about personal appearance are somehow equivalent, just highlights how illogical your points are. But hey, if it would make you feel better to call me an ugly fat pig, by all means, send me a private message. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Slink2 0 #156 November 28, 2005 If the Bobby's don't have guns than only the "NON" British people will. The "no guns thing"worked great with the white European populations, but now you must face "Multiculturalism"...GOOD LUCK! IT'S THE END OF UK AS WE KNOW IT! AND I DON'T FEEL FINE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,174 #157 November 28, 2005 And then, of course there's the argument against, such as this. And this.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Slink2 0 #158 November 28, 2005 If you were a REAL news junkie than you would have wondered why all the non white crime on whites was downplayed. Even when anti white racial slurs were used. Today's media thrives on "white on non white" crime while hideous true "non white" HATE CRIMES are ignored. The double standard of hate crimes is outrageous. Any crime against anyone is wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #159 November 28, 2005 Remember the statistics you quote are from 10 years ago. 10 years ago officers wanted more armed response units. That's happened. The 80% figure given as the percentage of officers who don't want to be armed is from only 2003. Randomly arming the odd beat cop who wants a gun is a really bad idea. Either they should be armed or the shouldn't. I believe the best people to ask about that are the police - 57% of them evidently feel strong enough about the issue that they would take industrial action if we asked them to carry firearms; 80% of them don't want to be armed; 5% already are; Police Superintendents don't think the remaining 15% are right and won't back them. I don't think there's much more to say on the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,605 #160 November 28, 2005 This whole thread is about non white people shooting a white wpc. You are a very scary personDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites miked10270 0 #161 November 28, 2005 Err... Look! If WE all promise to sing a song about a Dead Munich Pimp (yes, quite a few of us know the words, but we're more familiar with Rot scheint die Sonne) will YOU keep the whole race thing out of this? Thanks, Mike. PS. How are you getting on with your custom sized canopy? Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #162 November 28, 2005 QuoteAmerican has a gun culture, you only have to look at some of the knob heads on here who think they have to carry a gun to protect themselves at all times... yes, maybe in American you have to carry a gun at all time, but certainly not in England, thank god we don't have the twisted gun mentallity that the yanks have, we'd be as fucked as they are if we did Well the fact that they are dead proves maybe they needed one. Nice attack on an entire population BTW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #163 November 28, 2005 Quotei'm not a policeman because i choose not to be, but my girlfriend is so i know exactly what they go through, you don't. That is such a line of BS. My GF is a Doctor, so I know about medicine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #164 November 28, 2005 QuoteQuotei'm not a policeman because i choose not to be, but my girlfriend is so i know exactly what they go through, you don't. That is such a line of BS. My GF is a Doctor, so I know about medicine. Perhaps if neither of you know anything about policing neither of you should be arguing about it. No. 1 point is WE DONT WANT TO BE ARMED. Those that do join the armed units. Simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,174 #165 November 28, 2005 QuoteIf you were a REAL news junkie than you would have wondered why all the non white crime on whites was downplayed. Even when anti white racial slurs were used. Today's media thrives on "white on non white" crime while hideous true "non white" HATE CRIMES are ignored. The double standard of hate crimes is outrageous. Any crime against anyone is wrong. You saw what you wished to see. They were actually about armed police killing unarmed civilians. As is this portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/09/324605.shtml and this transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/19/sun.07.html and this www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Apr-22-Thu-2004/news/23712343.html And thesewww.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/04/shootings/2698952.html and lots, lots more examples.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites b1jercat 0 #166 November 28, 2005 Add one more to the list, a guy I grew up with was shot and killed friday night in corvallis or. I would say four out of the last five police shootings in oregon were mentally ill people who were not armed at the time. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #167 November 28, 2005 QuoteAdd one more to the list, a guy I grew up with was shot and killed friday night in corvallis or. I would say four out of the last five police shootings in oregon were mentally ill people who were not armed at the time. Perhaps an argument for Tazer then. I wouldnt mind carrying one of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #168 November 28, 2005 QuoteRandomly arming the odd beat cop who wants a gun is a really bad idea. Either they should be armed or the shouldn't. the uncertainty element of legal concealed carry in the US states that allows it, as well as of ownership at home, appears to extend its protective benefits to those who don't own guns. For a cop, that could help, but may also backfire if the criminal adopts a kill or be killed mentality in an encounter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #169 November 28, 2005 QuoteThe hot new video game for the kiddies this xmas in the U.S. has a TV advertisement that starts out like this; "What's mine is mine. What's yours is mine." Then the "hero" is seen snapping the arm of another at the elbow, and pulls out a gun and starts shooting opponents. And the liberals want to blame guns when the kids grow up with violent anti-social ideas... And you are blaming a video game?! How is that any less stupid? It's an object too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy_Copland 0 #170 November 28, 2005 99% of police officers i know are fine people, being no saint myself i have seen the inside of a few police stations and i can honestly say i met some real wankers that i wouldnt trust with a water pistol. Infact after i had a very serious Op i was recovering (was supposed to be doing community service) and had the police bust down my door and a young guy threw my mother out the way when she was asking what i had done and i was thrown in the car, only to arive at court and have him look back at me laugh and cheer. Not surprisingly i covered his face in spit and cheered myself. Do i think that all police officers should be armed? No. But i think the rules for police carrying guns in this country needs relaxed, maybe there should have been a more experienced police officer with these women with a gun. But that just complicates things because im thinking of a whole new system here. My sincere sympothy goes out to these officers and any other that has been harmed on duty1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #171 November 29, 2005 QuotePerhaps if neither of you know anything about policing neither of you should be arguing about it. If that were the line taken around here you would not have a board. QuoteNo. 1 point is WE DONT WANT TO BE ARMED. Those that do join the armed units. Simple. While that is a very good argument, it never hurts to look at other angles. Maybe arming cops will cause a crook to think twice about violent crime, or it may make them more apt to use a gun themselves. Fact is nobody knows and the truth is most likely in between the two extremes. My take is that by allowing people to be armed if they wish, then they get to make the choice instead of it being made for them. This applies to police AND citizens IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #172 November 29, 2005 <> Doesn't work, does it ? or all of the countries with armed police wouldn't have voilent criminals (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #173 November 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe hot new video game for the kiddies this xmas in the U.S. has a TV advertisement that starts out like this; "What's mine is mine. What's yours is mine." Then the "hero" is seen snapping the arm of another at the elbow, and pulls out a gun and starts shooting opponents. And the liberals want to blame guns when the kids grow up with violent anti-social ideas... And you are blaming a video game?! How is that any less stupid? It's an object too. A gun is an inanimate object that imparts no bad ideas to people on its own. A video game, on the other hand, actually teaches kids about bad behavior, and rewards them for it. It's about what the game is putting in their minds, to be played out later in real life... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #174 November 29, 2005 Quote A gun is an inanimate object that imparts no bad ideas to people on its own. A video game, on the other hand, actually teaches kids about bad behavior, and rewards them for it. It's about what the game is putting in their minds, to be played out later in real life... Which is why young kids shouldn't be able to play them. But that's a parenting issue, not a video game issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,174 #175 November 29, 2005 QuoteQuote A gun is an inanimate object that imparts no bad ideas to people on its own. A video game, on the other hand, actually teaches kids about bad behavior, and rewards them for it. It's about what the game is putting in their minds, to be played out later in real life... Which is why young kids shouldn't be able to play them. But that's a parenting issue, not a video game issue. Like the three year old in Indiana who killed himself with his father's Glock yesterday.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 7 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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JohnRich 4 #153 November 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteYour girlfriend doesn't deserve to be a police officer. Would she let a criminal escape if she had to run a quarter-mile and get all sweaty to catch him? What about if she had to wrestle the suspect and get her hair messed up? are you for real? try reading my other posts on why she would not be prepair do kill somebody I'm just trying to figure out where she draws the line. If she's not willing to shoot a violent criminal in order to apprehend him and prevent him from harming more citizens later, then I wonder what other limits she puts on her actions. Would she use pepper-spray on a criminal? What about whacking him with a baton? Fisticuffs? Where does she draw the line on inflicting violence upon criminals in order to apprehend them? How is she going to feel when she lets a rapist get away because she's unwilling to shoot, and that rapist goes on to victimize yet more women because of her inaction? Will that give her a clean conscience? How far is she willing to go to stop a violent criminal? Would she walk into an armed robbery situation, unarmed herself, as the female British police officers did that were recently shot? Or would she stand outside and do nothing, allowing the robbers to victimize the citizens, because she's unwilling to pull a gun on criminals? Do tell us. QuoteI've read many of your gun toting posts on here, you're the really nice person who takes their gun to a DZ aren't you I keep a self defense handgun in my car. So whereever I go, the gun goes with me: to the drop zone, to the grocery store, to work, everywhere! I am a nice person, and the presence of my gun has nothing to do with that one way or the other. Do you feel like I'm a bad person just because I have a gun? Are all people without guns good people? Are all people with guns bad people? If you give a good person a gun, does that turn him into a bad person? Quoteare you in the police yourself? Explain the relevance of the question. Do you want to suppress debate here by everyone except certified police officers? Is your opinion somehow more valid because your girlfriend is a police officer? Does that make you an expert on guns, crime and policing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #154 November 27, 2005 QuoteI also note you highlight the fact that 43% would carry if required to. The converse of that of course is that 57%, more than half the country's police force, would not be prepared to carry even if required to do so. If that's the case what would we see happen were police required to carry? Would we see a national strike of police officers? Would more than half the force walk out of their positions over night? That more than half the police in the country would not be prepared to wear a firearm even if required to do so is an immensely strong statement about their wishes. Yes it is, but 43% is no trivial number either, and is also a strong statement. Since they seem to acknowledge that they need more armed officers, the sensible thing to do would seem to be to make it an option. If an officer wants to carry a gun, let them undergo additional training for that. If another doesn't want to carry, that's fine too. America is doing this now with airline pilots, as an anti-terrorism measure. Those pilots who wish to have a gun in the cockpit can undergo special training for that. But no pilot is required to do it. It's interesting to note that those who don't want a gun themselves, still want someone else with a gun from an armed response unit to come rescue them when they get in trouble. So that's a bit hypocritical, in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #155 November 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteThat more than half the police in the country would not be prepared to wear a firearm even if required to do so is an immensely strong statement about their wishes. and its also a measure of the quality of these people who put their life on the line WITHOUT wanting to be armed. Its incredibly brave of somebody to volunteer to do that job without the desire to be armed, i think it takes more courage to do that job unarmed than i does to do it with a gun strapped to your side... There is a fine line between courage and foolishness. It also takes a lot of courage to make a base jump without a reserve parachute. And sometimes the foolishness aspect of that courage causes death. Just because a police officer carries a gun for the rare chance that he'll need it to save his or someone else's life, does not mean that he is any less courageous than an unarmed officer. In fact, since the armed cop is willing to go further to save life and catch crooks, it could be said that he is the braver of the two. It doesn't take much bravery to be like your girlfriend, and let bad guys escape because she doesn't have the means to stop them. Heck, anybody can stand by and do nothing. It's the men of action who interject themselves into dangerous situations that are the heros. QuoteOh and Johnrich, its very nice of you to have a personal attack on my girlfriend Since your girlfriend isn't here, it isn't personal. And you are the one who brought her into this discussion and injected her anti-gun philosophy. So you opened the door on the subject, and made her ideas fair game. It's not about her, it's about her ideas. There is a difference. Quoteyou're an easy taget yourself, but i'd get banned for saying how you look... my comments about your appearence would be a bit harsh I really don't care what you think of my looks. That's irrelevant to the discussion here. Handsomeness doesn't make an argument more valid, nor ugliness less. My criticism of your girlfriend was limited to her philosophy about unarmed law enforcement. The fact that you somehow think that insults about personal appearance are somehow equivalent, just highlights how illogical your points are. But hey, if it would make you feel better to call me an ugly fat pig, by all means, send me a private message. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slink2 0 #156 November 28, 2005 If the Bobby's don't have guns than only the "NON" British people will. The "no guns thing"worked great with the white European populations, but now you must face "Multiculturalism"...GOOD LUCK! IT'S THE END OF UK AS WE KNOW IT! AND I DON'T FEEL FINE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #157 November 28, 2005 And then, of course there's the argument against, such as this. And this.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slink2 0 #158 November 28, 2005 If you were a REAL news junkie than you would have wondered why all the non white crime on whites was downplayed. Even when anti white racial slurs were used. Today's media thrives on "white on non white" crime while hideous true "non white" HATE CRIMES are ignored. The double standard of hate crimes is outrageous. Any crime against anyone is wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #159 November 28, 2005 Remember the statistics you quote are from 10 years ago. 10 years ago officers wanted more armed response units. That's happened. The 80% figure given as the percentage of officers who don't want to be armed is from only 2003. Randomly arming the odd beat cop who wants a gun is a really bad idea. Either they should be armed or the shouldn't. I believe the best people to ask about that are the police - 57% of them evidently feel strong enough about the issue that they would take industrial action if we asked them to carry firearms; 80% of them don't want to be armed; 5% already are; Police Superintendents don't think the remaining 15% are right and won't back them. I don't think there's much more to say on the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,605 #160 November 28, 2005 This whole thread is about non white people shooting a white wpc. You are a very scary personDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #161 November 28, 2005 Err... Look! If WE all promise to sing a song about a Dead Munich Pimp (yes, quite a few of us know the words, but we're more familiar with Rot scheint die Sonne) will YOU keep the whole race thing out of this? Thanks, Mike. PS. How are you getting on with your custom sized canopy? Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #162 November 28, 2005 QuoteAmerican has a gun culture, you only have to look at some of the knob heads on here who think they have to carry a gun to protect themselves at all times... yes, maybe in American you have to carry a gun at all time, but certainly not in England, thank god we don't have the twisted gun mentallity that the yanks have, we'd be as fucked as they are if we did Well the fact that they are dead proves maybe they needed one. Nice attack on an entire population BTW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #163 November 28, 2005 Quotei'm not a policeman because i choose not to be, but my girlfriend is so i know exactly what they go through, you don't. That is such a line of BS. My GF is a Doctor, so I know about medicine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #164 November 28, 2005 QuoteQuotei'm not a policeman because i choose not to be, but my girlfriend is so i know exactly what they go through, you don't. That is such a line of BS. My GF is a Doctor, so I know about medicine. Perhaps if neither of you know anything about policing neither of you should be arguing about it. No. 1 point is WE DONT WANT TO BE ARMED. Those that do join the armed units. Simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #165 November 28, 2005 QuoteIf you were a REAL news junkie than you would have wondered why all the non white crime on whites was downplayed. Even when anti white racial slurs were used. Today's media thrives on "white on non white" crime while hideous true "non white" HATE CRIMES are ignored. The double standard of hate crimes is outrageous. Any crime against anyone is wrong. You saw what you wished to see. They were actually about armed police killing unarmed civilians. As is this portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/09/324605.shtml and this transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/19/sun.07.html and this www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Apr-22-Thu-2004/news/23712343.html And thesewww.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/04/shootings/2698952.html and lots, lots more examples.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #166 November 28, 2005 Add one more to the list, a guy I grew up with was shot and killed friday night in corvallis or. I would say four out of the last five police shootings in oregon were mentally ill people who were not armed at the time. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #167 November 28, 2005 QuoteAdd one more to the list, a guy I grew up with was shot and killed friday night in corvallis or. I would say four out of the last five police shootings in oregon were mentally ill people who were not armed at the time. Perhaps an argument for Tazer then. I wouldnt mind carrying one of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #168 November 28, 2005 QuoteRandomly arming the odd beat cop who wants a gun is a really bad idea. Either they should be armed or the shouldn't. the uncertainty element of legal concealed carry in the US states that allows it, as well as of ownership at home, appears to extend its protective benefits to those who don't own guns. For a cop, that could help, but may also backfire if the criminal adopts a kill or be killed mentality in an encounter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #169 November 28, 2005 QuoteThe hot new video game for the kiddies this xmas in the U.S. has a TV advertisement that starts out like this; "What's mine is mine. What's yours is mine." Then the "hero" is seen snapping the arm of another at the elbow, and pulls out a gun and starts shooting opponents. And the liberals want to blame guns when the kids grow up with violent anti-social ideas... And you are blaming a video game?! How is that any less stupid? It's an object too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #170 November 28, 2005 99% of police officers i know are fine people, being no saint myself i have seen the inside of a few police stations and i can honestly say i met some real wankers that i wouldnt trust with a water pistol. Infact after i had a very serious Op i was recovering (was supposed to be doing community service) and had the police bust down my door and a young guy threw my mother out the way when she was asking what i had done and i was thrown in the car, only to arive at court and have him look back at me laugh and cheer. Not surprisingly i covered his face in spit and cheered myself. Do i think that all police officers should be armed? No. But i think the rules for police carrying guns in this country needs relaxed, maybe there should have been a more experienced police officer with these women with a gun. But that just complicates things because im thinking of a whole new system here. My sincere sympothy goes out to these officers and any other that has been harmed on duty1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #171 November 29, 2005 QuotePerhaps if neither of you know anything about policing neither of you should be arguing about it. If that were the line taken around here you would not have a board. QuoteNo. 1 point is WE DONT WANT TO BE ARMED. Those that do join the armed units. Simple. While that is a very good argument, it never hurts to look at other angles. Maybe arming cops will cause a crook to think twice about violent crime, or it may make them more apt to use a gun themselves. Fact is nobody knows and the truth is most likely in between the two extremes. My take is that by allowing people to be armed if they wish, then they get to make the choice instead of it being made for them. This applies to police AND citizens IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #172 November 29, 2005 <> Doesn't work, does it ? or all of the countries with armed police wouldn't have voilent criminals (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #173 November 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe hot new video game for the kiddies this xmas in the U.S. has a TV advertisement that starts out like this; "What's mine is mine. What's yours is mine." Then the "hero" is seen snapping the arm of another at the elbow, and pulls out a gun and starts shooting opponents. And the liberals want to blame guns when the kids grow up with violent anti-social ideas... And you are blaming a video game?! How is that any less stupid? It's an object too. A gun is an inanimate object that imparts no bad ideas to people on its own. A video game, on the other hand, actually teaches kids about bad behavior, and rewards them for it. It's about what the game is putting in their minds, to be played out later in real life... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #174 November 29, 2005 Quote A gun is an inanimate object that imparts no bad ideas to people on its own. A video game, on the other hand, actually teaches kids about bad behavior, and rewards them for it. It's about what the game is putting in their minds, to be played out later in real life... Which is why young kids shouldn't be able to play them. But that's a parenting issue, not a video game issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #175 November 29, 2005 QuoteQuote A gun is an inanimate object that imparts no bad ideas to people on its own. A video game, on the other hand, actually teaches kids about bad behavior, and rewards them for it. It's about what the game is putting in their minds, to be played out later in real life... Which is why young kids shouldn't be able to play them. But that's a parenting issue, not a video game issue. Like the three year old in Indiana who killed himself with his father's Glock yesterday.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
