Gawain 0 #26 November 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhat's it going to take to get these Iraqiis so pissed-off at these bombers that they take matters into their own hands? That's the sole key to the US withdrawing from Iraq. If the population, outside of the Iraqi police/military, start just assasinating these fuckers, bombing their hideouts, etc, then we can start withdrawing and after a while maybe the terrorists will too (depending on the effectiveness of the civilian campaign against them). Underground groups is what's needed in Iraq. Yes and no. That is happening in some parts of Iraq already, like in Sadr City (northeast district of Baghdad). It is probably the poorest of the poor in that area. Al Sadr's militia is pretty much calling the shots in terms of maintaining order. The problem is that it risks becoming a mafia-style environment. The Iraqi police respond to the militia, not the civilians in the neighborhood. Muqtada al Sadr is participating in the political process for now, but if things don't go his way, you've got an 8 square mile part of the city, with 2.5 million people in it that'll go up in flames fast. The militia needs to stand down and allow the Iraqi police work its way in.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #27 November 20, 2005 True, but that only works if the Iraqi police stop sucking so horribly and give a shit about what they're doing. I know there are a lot that do care and want to help, but the majority do it because it's a job that pays. If they cared more about saving their country and less about making money, then the Iraqi police would be worth something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #28 November 20, 2005 QuoteTrue, but that only works if the Iraqi police stop sucking so horribly and give a shit about what they're doing. I know there are a lot that do care and want to help, but the majority do it because it's a job that pays. If they cared more about saving their country and less about making money, then the Iraqi police would be worth something. Hopefully, that's going to change now that Congress has re-affirmed our committment to Iraq. The Iraqi Security Forces and the Iraqi citizens have been afraid the US will abandon them again, and they don't want themselves and their families killed for supporting the US and the new Iraqi Govt. I can't blame them one bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slink2 0 #29 November 20, 2005 Let's see...how many years of Islamic so called terrorism and this is the final straw? I don't think so. If there is one thing Muslims have it is UNITY! God Bless em. Or should I say Allah bless em! Maybe they are just trying to preserve their own religion and culture? Now why would anybody be so fanatic over that in today's world?,,,HMMM??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #30 November 20, 2005 <> wow I guess all those homes and the like, just up and fell down all on the own then (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #31 November 20, 2005 QuoteLet's see...how many years of Islamic so called terrorism and this is the final straw? I don't think so. If there is one thing Muslims have it is UNITY! God Bless em. Or should I say Allah bless em! Maybe they are just trying to preserve their own religion and culture? Now why would anybody be so fanatic over that in today's world?,,,HMMM??? The last thing the Muslims have is unity. Just look on the streets of Amman, Jordan...or in Baghdad for that matter. The Shiites and the Sunni and the Kurds are anything but unified. Iraq has no "culture" to call its own.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #32 November 20, 2005 Quote<> wow I guess all those homes and the like, just up and fell down all on the own then Go ahead and fail to see the distinctions here, I don't care. Just thought I'd point them out to anyone with an open mind. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #33 November 20, 2005 Not only is it backfiring on him, his family has severed ties with him. That's a pretty big deal too. Quote"A Jordanian doesn't stab himself with his own spear," said the statement by 57 members of the al-Khalayleh family, including al-Zarqawi's brother and cousin. "We sever links with him until doomsday." The statement is a serious blow to al-Zarqawi, who no longer will enjoy the protection of his tribe and whose family members may seek to kill him. "As we pledge to maintain homage to your throne and to our precious Jordan ... we denounce in the clearest terms all the terrorist actions claimed by the so-called Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, who calls himself Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," the family members said. "We announce, and all the people are our witnesses, that we — the sons of the al-Khalayleh tribe — are innocent of him and all that emanates from him, whether action, assertion or decision."So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #34 November 20, 2005 Sorry. I respect that you are entitled to a point of view but I dont have to agree with it. Oh and just because I disagree doesn't mean that my mind is closed (small maybe, but not close). Have a good evening. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #35 November 20, 2005 QuoteHave a good evening. You too! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 November 20, 2005 There's also an unconfirmed report Zarqawi was killed: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475588009&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Report: al-Zarqawi may have been killed in Mosul By JPOST.COM STAFF The Elaph Arab media website reported on Sunday that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of the al-Qaida in Iraq terror group, may have been killed in Iraq on Sunday afternoon when eight terrorists blew themselves up in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. The unconfirmed report claimed that the explosions occurred while coalition forces surrounded the house in which al-Zarqawi was hiding. American and Iraqi forces are looking into the report. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #37 November 20, 2005 We've had that report (or someone else, I can't recall) before. The interesting thing is that word has come out about the battle, and several suicide bombers were seen donning the bomb jackets. Generally, that would seem to indicate someone who they were protecting, or at the very least, that someone who blew himself up was not going to get captured. Leads one to think "high level" as the circumstances seem to be now. It will be interesting to hear what comes of this... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #38 November 20, 2005 QuoteThere's also an unconfirmed report Zarqawi was killed: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475588009&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Report: al-Zarqawi may have been killed in Mosul By JPOST.COM STAFF The Elaph Arab media website reported on Sunday that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of the al-Qaida in Iraq terror group, may have been killed in Iraq on Sunday afternoon when eight terrorists blew themselves up in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. The unconfirmed report claimed that the explosions occurred while coalition forces surrounded the house in which al-Zarqawi was hiding. American and Iraqi forces are looking into the report. AP has the same story, but no confirmation. hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ?SITE=NYONI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #39 November 20, 2005 hmmm, I don't wanna get my hopes up. But if that f&*ker's been killed, it definitely warrants a or two! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #40 November 21, 2005 QuoteI'm sure that the irony in the title wasn't lost ... Before I opened the link, I was trying to guess the subject...... Al Q or Bush..... 50/50 was the odds that I gave my self I thought the same thing......----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
