New Documents Reveal Saddam Hid WMDs, Was Tied to Al Qaida

[rushmc 23]

The lier Bush

I want to make sure you get the info the way you want

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/16/122915.shtml






Recently discovered Iraqi documents now being translated by U.S. intelligence analysts indicate that Saddam Hussein's government made extensive plans to hide Iraq's weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 - and had deep ties to al Qaida before the 9/11 attacks.

The explosive evidence was discovered among "millions of pages of documents" unearthed by the Iraq Survey Group weapons search team, reports the Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes.

In the magazine's Nov. 21 issue, Hayes reveals that the document cache now being examined contains "a thick stew of reports and findings from a variety of [Iraqi] intelligence agencies and military units."

Though the Pentagon has so far declined to make the bombshell papers public, Hayes managed to obtain a list of titles on the reports.

Topics headlined in the still embargoed Iraqi documents include:
• Chemical Agent Purchase Orders (Dec. 2001)

• Formulas and information about Iraq's Chemical Weapons Agents

• Locations of Weapons/Ammunition Storage (with map)

• Denial and Deception of WMD and Killing of POWs

• Ricin research and improvement
• Chemical Gear for Fedayeen Saddam
• Memo from the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to Hide Information from a U.N. Inspection team (1997)
• Iraq Ministry of Defense Calls for Investigation into why documents related to WMD were found by UN inspection team

• Correspondence between various Iraq organizations giving instructions to hide chemicals and equipment

• Correspondence from [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to [the Military Industrial Commission] regarding information gathered by foreign intelligence satellites on WMD (Dec. 2002) • Cleaning chemical suits and how to hide chemicals

• [Iraqi Intelligence Service] plan of what to do during UNSCOM inspections (1996)

Still other reports suggest that Iraq's ties to al Qaida were far deeper than previously known, featuring headlines like:

• Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government (Nov. 2000)

• Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity

• Possible al Qaeda Terror Members in Iraq

• Iraqi Effort to Cooperate with Saudi Opposition Groups and Individuals

• Iraqi Intel report on Kurdish Activities: Mention of Kurdish Report on al Qaeda - reference to al Qaeda presence in Salman Pak

• [Iraqi Intelligence Service] report on Taliban-Iraq Connections Claims

• Money Transfers from Iraq to Afghanistan

While the document titles sound stunning enough to turn the Iraq war debate on its head, Hayes cautions that it's hard to know for certain until the full text is available.

It's possible, he writes, "that the 'Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity' was critical of one or another Taliban policies. But it's equally possible, given Uday's known role as a go-between for the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda, that something more nefarious was afoot."

"What was discussed at the 'Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government' in November 2000? It could be something innocuous. Maybe not. But it would be nice to know more."

Hayes also notes that an additional treasure trove of evidence on Saddam Hussein's support for al Qaida may be lost forever.

"When David Kay ran the Iraq Survey Group searching for weapons of mass destruction, he instructed his team to ignore anything not directly related to the regime's WMD efforts," he reports.

"As a consequence, documents describing the regime's training and financing of terrorists were labeled 'No Intelligence Value' and often discarded, according to two sources."

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[freeflydrew 0]

Yawn...

Foxnews isn't even picking up this one

You really need to get over this one and stop bringing it up... it's like a broken record player in here.

[rushmc 23]

I knew the first responce would be to attack the source.

Too bad CBS is running this one then we all could believe it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ReBirth 0]

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I knew the first responce would be to attack the source.

Probably because you always use the same one that carries stories only the National Enquirer would pick up on. Newsmax is as reliable as The Onion.

[GTAVercetti 0]

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The Onion.

Thanks for reminding me to read this week's issue!

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[IanHarrop 43]

To confirm this report I've been trying to locate another source.

I haven't been able to find one. Can anyone else find another source for this?

Relying on a single source is a recipe for misinformation.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[rushmc 23]

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[GTAVercetti 0]

Once again, if you expect this type of reaction, why do you bother? Do you do it JUST argue about how your sources are always bashed? I am sorry, your source (no plural).

Seems a little masochistic to me.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[rushmc 23]

I don't know.

I seems imposible to me that the claims being made today are really believed? I don't agree with the president on many fronts. I did not agree with Clinton on nearly anything either. But to call him a "lier" over the events leading up to the war make no sense. There have been many items that have come to light that suggest that those saying the SH did activly persue a WMD program, yet none of those details are reported or debated.

My conclusion?
The retoric calling Bush a lier is based on hate, from a party that was in power for 40 years, so confused by loosing, will do ANYTHING to get power back, even if it is bad for the country. Emotion can not be discussed because there is no logic is in it

As for the bashing of newsmax? Sure they have a slant but CNN,CBS.......(you get the point) don't? I haven't seen a discrediting of any news source worse the CBS yet they will be quoted as a credible source if it fits ones agenda Hell, the reporter that got fired says she still thinks the story is true.

As for me?? Well, a little pain keeps things real I think


Let me ask you. Hypotheticaly, if some of the details in the last article I posted turn out to be true what do you think the left will do?

I think they will just drop it, as will the media and they will start in on something else.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gawain 0]

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I knew the first responce would be to attack the source.

Too bad CBS is running this one then we all could believe it

Now, you know that if it doesn't come from Hilary Clinton's, John Kerry's or Ted Turner's mouth, it's not valid.

I, personally, am incensed that you would dare post such an inflammitory piece of information. How dare you remind everyone of their mindset in 2003. Think of the children...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[GTAVercetti 0]

No, i think if it is actually true, they will cover it.

Oh and one other thing. I searched for cbsnews in this forum. I got EXACTLY FOUR hits, one of which was JohnRich saying they fucked up. So you can stop using that as the opposite of newsmax. And you think CNN is anywhere CLOSE to the opposite slant that newsmax is? Please.

All I am saying is you seem to always post from exactly ONE source; usually items that people have a hard time reaffirming elsewhere -- even in conservative papers. If you are going to bother to post something that you WANT the doubters to read, get items that can be verified in multiple places. Otherwise, you are just posting to make yourself feel better.

That is what I do anyway. I feel good. Little tired, but mostly good.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[billvon 3,119]

Sorry, this refutes that:

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G.O.P.: Bush's Presidency Is Effectively Over
by DOUG THOMPSON

Bush screamed at the G.O.P. strategist, "You can leave and you can take the rest of these lily-livered motherfuckers with you!"

A growing number of Republican leaders, party strategists and political professional now privately tell President George W. Bush that his presidency "is effectively over" unless he fires embattled White House advisor Karl Rove, apologizes to the American people for misleading the country into war and revamps his administration from top to bottom.

"The only show of unity we have now in the Republican Party is the belief that the President has failed the party, the American people and the presidency," says a longtime, and angry, GOP strategist.

With the public face of support for Bush eroding daily from even diehard Republicans, the President faces mounting anger from within his party over the path that may well lead to loss of control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections and the White House in 2008.

"This presidency is in trouble," says a senior White House aide.
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Source:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=39

[rushmc 23]

I am afraid to click on the link

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,589]

That's a pretty good piece there. Balanced, rational, and I'll bet you get a ton of confirmations of it

Ummm -- Rush -- in case you didn't notice, my tongue is in my cheek.

However, Newsmax is not that much less conservative than conspiracyplanet (or Air America, or the Village Voice) are liberal. I was thinking of writing a document myself that would make some claim, publish it on a website, and run with it.

So Bill -- didja write this

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[ryoder 1,590]

From rec.humor.funny on Usenet:

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George Bush has started an ill-timed and disastrous war under false
pretenses by lying to the American people and to the Congress; he has
run a budget surplus into a severe deficit; he has consistently and
unconscionably favored the wealthy and corporations over the rights
and needs of the population; he has destroyed trust and confidence in,
and good will toward, the United States around the globe; he has
ignored global warming, to the world's detriment; he has wantonly
broken our treaty obligations; he has condoned torture of prisoners;
he has attempted to create a theocracy in the United States; he has
appointed incompetent cronies to positions of vital national
importance.

Now, would someone please give him a blow job so we can impeach him?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,150]

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From rec.humor.funny on Usenet:

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George Bush has started an ill-timed and disastrous war under false
pretenses by lying to the American people and to the Congress; he has
run a budget surplus into a severe deficit; he has consistently and
unconscionably favored the wealthy and corporations over the rights
and needs of the population; he has destroyed trust and confidence in,
and good will toward, the United States around the globe; he has
ignored global warming, to the world's detriment; he has wantonly
broken our treaty obligations; he has condoned torture of prisoners;
he has attempted to create a theocracy in the United States; he has
appointed incompetent cronies to positions of vital national
importance.

Now, would someone please give him a blow job so we can impeach him?

I don't think it funny. It's sad but true.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

Some of these are older but.......and to be fair I found as many arguing the other way

Here is the search critera used at the google site
"translated papers link Iraq to al qaeda

Have fun

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200410%5CSPE20041004a.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2979405.stm

a little of the supbject

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1590979,00.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39025

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/006782.php

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[PhreeZone 20]

The last 3 links there are either off topic (first one) or opinion pieces and not true journalism. Typically if its a blog, its someone spouting off their opinion and trying to pass it off as fact. The first 2 are years old, find another link that supports this story from the last 30 days and lets see where this conversation goes.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[rushmc 23]

I know they were scattered and some were opinion . The search brought up some university sites that I did not have time to go through but I want to take a look when I get a chance.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mr2mk1g 10]

From the second link (the bbc one).

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The report comes only days after its sister paper, the Daily Telegraph claimed to have unearthed documents showing left-wing Labour MP George Galloway received money from the Iraqi regime.

That's the sentence that worries me. The documents the Telegraph printed about Galloway were later proved to be forgeries.

I hope for the sake of those relying on them that these documents don't have too close a link with the former ones.

[livendive 8]

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I knew the first responce would be to attack the source.

It's the only reason I open the threads you start...to see which variant of the Weekly World News you're quoting this week.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[AlexCrowley 0]

except the galloway papers were on the top of a pile. these took 2 years to find. These must be excellent forgeries.

Telegraph == MI6 weapon of mass deception :)

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[pirana 0]

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Sorry, this refutes that:

----------
G.O.P.: Bush's Presidency Is Effectively Over
by DOUG THOMPSON

Bush screamed at the G.O.P. strategist, "You can leave and you can take the rest of these lily-livered motherfuckers with you!"

A growing number of Republican leaders, party strategists and political professional now privately tell President George W. Bush that his presidency "is effectively over" unless he fires embattled White House advisor Karl Rove, apologizes to the American people for misleading the country into war and revamps his administration from top to bottom.

"The only show of unity we have now in the Republican Party is the belief that the President has failed the party, the American people and the presidency," says a longtime, and angry, GOP strategist.

With the public face of support for Bush eroding daily from even diehard Republicans, the President faces mounting anger from within his party over the path that may well lead to loss of control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections and the White House in 2008.

"This presidency is in trouble," says a senior White House aide.
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Source:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=39

I think they are also fairly well united in believing Creationism should be taught alongside and on equal ground as Evolution.

Funny thing; I was flipping thru this real cool kids science book I got for my daughter - How Life Works. I checked out the chapters on Genetics and Evolution. In amazingly clear pictures and paragraphs the book walks thru the processes and provides the reader with an easy to digest version of the science of heredity and the overwhelming evidence for Evolution. Better than just about anything else I've ever read on the topics. Maybe that's part of the problem with how science educates the public about findings - they need to KISS. (And add lots of pictures).

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley