EricTheRed 0 #26 November 16, 2005 If only everything that recieved tax money was required to be balanced.... illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #27 November 16, 2005 QuoteIf only everything that recieved tax money was required to be balanced.... No shit. PBS is supported 85% from sources other than taxes. I don't agree with the current military actions. We should pull funding from that to make me happy. Wahhhh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #28 November 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteall major corporations owned by capitalists OH MY GOD. Call the press - I can see the headlines (maybe the Onion anyway) "Breaking News - Corporations Owned by Capitalists" "next week an in depth study on why professional rock climbers have strong fingers...grad student receives huge research grant to investigate" So do you recommend that only the government own corporations? Is that the point? If not, it's a pretty obtuse statement. Did youknow that Capitalists come in varying political persuasions? Not even a clever attempt at diversion, Bill. I have no issue with capitalists (I am one). The point, which you get VERY WELL, is that to claim that a complete set of independent capitalist corporations are supporting a leftist agenda is plain stupid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 November 16, 2005 QuoteThe point, which you get VERY WELL, is that to claim that a complete set of independent capitalist corporations are supporting a leftist agenda is plain stupid. So you're saying that the corporations don't control what the networks say, then?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #30 November 16, 2005 Um. The media *are* the corporations. Just an FYI. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 November 16, 2005 QuoteThe point, which you get VERY WELL, is that to claim that a complete set of independent capitalist corporations are supporting a leftist agenda is plain stupid. Not only do I get it VERY WELL, I even note that it's silly to make claims to spin primarily either way (except as supporting the "business" of making up news). What I don't do is make tacky implications of only spinning news in one direction. News customers comes from all walks, therefore, there's a market to spin in all directions, not just from the right - which is also 'plain stupid' but even more common. Frankly, AlexCrowley nailed it. Edit: My mistake in communicating to you was I had thought you were trying to indicate this was a problem but you had no solution. You were just pointing out reality without any additional intent. I'm not certain if you concur that there is bias for all market segments or if you really feel it's primarily one way or not. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 November 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe point, which you get VERY WELL, is that to claim that a complete set of independent capitalist corporations are supporting a leftist agenda is plain stupid. So you're saying that the corporations don't control what the networks say, then? He's saying just the opposite - they do control it because specific spin sells to specific target markets. He's "implying" that capitalists are mainly Republicans (not true) and thus the slant is MOSTLY to the right. I'm not buying the implications, rather, I'm claiming good capitalists are 'opportunists' not republicans and they market to various demographics that want to validate their spin. At some point, though, someone will bring up the arrogance of various network heads and how they will push their own personal politics even if it wouldn't make the best business case (else more networks would follow Fox and take a bite of that market). Then we are back to where we began because that would then take us back to the "bias for political bias" reason rather than the 'bias for profit' reason - which makes more intuitive sense. It's likely a mix of the two, but I still like AlexCrowley's read on it best. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #33 November 16, 2005 PBS, I just choose not to watch it, and that Cliff girl needs to get one of them battery operated toys, she seems a little high strung. Cable has much better programing i.e. Discovery, Wings... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #34 November 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe point, which you get VERY WELL, is that to claim that a complete set of independent capitalist corporations are supporting a leftist agenda is plain stupid. So you're saying that the corporations don't control what the networks say, then? He's saying just the opposite - they do control it because specific spin sells to specific target markets. He's "implying" that capitalists are mainly Republicans (not true) and thus the slant is MOSTLY to the right. . No, I'm implying that capitalists are almost exclusively NOT drawn from the ranks of the pinko-liberal-commies. That is not the same at all. There is neither political nor financial gain for a corporation to pander to the left.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #35 November 16, 2005 QuoteYou like twisting my points don't you? There are correct ways to fix problems and wrong ways. I will have to acept that he broke rules (for now) because I don't know the facts but, all of this does not change the fact public broadcasting is left leaning Only if you define left leaning as being concerned with human dignity and truthfulness in govt actions.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 November 17, 2005 QuoteNo, I'm implying that capitalists are almost exclusively NOT drawn from the ranks of the pinko-liberal-commies. ......... There is neither political nor financial gain for a corporation to pander to the left. You can pick semantics with me when I'm backing you up, that's fine, don't much care. I'm deeply sorry I didn't use EXACTLY your (freakishly constructed 'almost exclusively NOT') words to get the same (close enough) point across. [[the difference is no one noted capitalist are 'exclusively drawn' from lefty nutjobs - if you want to base your discussions on extremism, then you are right all the time - congrats for taking the easy road.] And pandering to the left gives no financial gain? - I suspect almost exactly 50% of the population leans left (and almost exclusively not 50% also does not lean left too) - I'd not discount that market. I'd say that if a capitalist is truly capitalistic, then his politics matter less than his profit motive when it comes time to 'flavor' the broadcast for his viewers. If we want to stereotype people, then I'd say your money hungry republicans will then target all the markets to maximize profit, while your shallow do-anything-to-push-the-agenda democrats will be unable to pander to anything but the left because they are so nobel in their pursuit of the talking points. That leads to the conclusion that maybe republicans should run the news because they'll pander to what the people want rather than push an agenda - (I don't believe that, but it's a rational conclusion based on irrational stereotypes that we love to wallow in - I think in the end, both sets of capitalists will follow the profits). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #37 November 17, 2005 [Dr. Evil]I haven't laughed that hard since I was a little girl, thank you [/Dr. Evil] -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #38 November 17, 2005 QuoteQuoteNo, I'm implying that capitalists are almost exclusively NOT drawn from the ranks of the pinko-liberal-commies. ......... There is neither political nor financial gain for a corporation to pander to the left. You can pick semantics with me when I'm backing you up, that's fine, don't much care. I'm deeply sorry I didn't use EXACTLY your (freakishly constructed 'almost exclusively NOT') words to get the same (close enough) point across. [[the difference is no one noted capitalist are 'exclusively drawn' from lefty nutjobs - if you want to base your discussions on extremism, then you are right all the time - congrats for taking the easy road.] And pandering to the left gives no financial gain? - I suspect almost exactly 50% of the population leans left (and almost exclusively not 50% also does not lean left too) - I'd not discount that market. I'd say that if a capitalist is truly capitalistic, then his politics matter less than his profit motive when it comes time to 'flavor' the broadcast for his viewers. If we want to stereotype people, then I'd say your money hungry republicans will then target all the markets to maximize profit, while your shallow do-anything-to-push-the-agenda democrats will be unable to pander to anything but the left because they are so nobel in their pursuit of the talking points. That leads to the conclusion that maybe republicans should run the news because they'll pander to what the people want rather than push an agenda - (I don't believe that, but it's a rational conclusion based on irrational stereotypes that we love to wallow in - I think in the end, both sets of capitalists will follow the profits). Almost by definition, if they are trying to maximize their market they have to target the center, not the left or the right. There is simply NO PROFIT, political or financial, in being biased to the left.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #39 November 17, 2005 QuoteThere is simply NO PROFIT, political or financial, in being biased to the left. Since there are regions that are primarily Right or Left, then the only way that can be true is as follows: Only if that market is already saturated. Which is the basis of your denial, so I know that's not where you are coming from. Since what I'm saying is so very basic and obvious, we must be talking about completely different things and not realizing it. So I'll stop, at this point it's not any fun. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
