kallend 2,150 #1 November 16, 2005 All you conservatives who criticize public broadcasting were right all along. Public broadcasting is indeed biased. Kenneth Y. Tomlinson, former chairman of the CPB Board, resigned Nov. 3 after the organization's inspector general briefed the board on his forthcoming report about Tomlinson's activities. Tomlinson, a Republican, had stacked the CPB board with Republicans. He had also violated CPB rules by hiring consultants to help shift public broadcasting to a more conservative slant. The current chairman and vice chairman of the CPB board are also Republicans. So yes, public broadcasting IS INDEED biased, towards the GOP. Story... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2 November 16, 2005 BBBbbbbbbwwwwwhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa He was trying to give some balance and the libs went nuts. (I am not condoning breaking rules OK?) You post is misleading at best. Did you see the interviews or hear him speek? What should be done is pull all gov. funding and let them stand on thier own (whick of course they can't .......much like Air America)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #3 November 16, 2005 QuoteBBBbbbbbbwwwwwhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa He was trying to give some balance and the libs went nuts. (I am not condoning breaking rules OK?) You post is misleading at best. Did you see the interviews or hear him speek? What should be done is pull all gov. funding and let them stand on thier own (whick of course they can't .......much like Air America) Even though you say that you don't condone breaking the rules, you STILL give an apologist defense for a man caught doing just that.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #4 November 16, 2005 It's only wrong if stinky liberals do it. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #5 November 16, 2005 QuoteIt's only wrong if stinky liberals do it. They smell like limburgerWhy yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 November 16, 2005 You like twisting my points don't you? There are correct ways to fix problems and wrong ways. I will have to acept that he broke rules (for now) because I don't know the facts but, all of this does not change the fact public broadcasting is left leaning"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #7 November 16, 2005 And the gov't is right leaning. Should we break the rules to correct that imbalance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #8 November 16, 2005 QuoteYou like twisting my points don't you? There are correct ways to fix problems and wrong ways. I will have to acept that he broke rules (for now) because I don't know the facts but, all of this does not change the fact public broadcasting is left leaning No, I like pointing out the fallacies. How can you NOT see the inconsistency between saying, "I don't condone breaking the rules" and saying, "He was trying to give some balance and the libs went nuts" is beyond me. The lib is nuts part implies that what he was doing is normal and is not in fact wrong. I did not have to twist your post, you did it all by yourself. I just pointed it outWhy yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 November 16, 2005 I love you man The gov. is........................wait for it.....................................................ELECTED Oh, I forget, it was stolen by .....what was it........ Oh I remember 99% of counties in the US. The first time since the 1990's a president got over 50% of the vote. But is was stolen.......I remember."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #10 November 16, 2005 And public broadcasting is mainly supported through donations. Guess who's donating to pbs, liberals or conservatives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 November 16, 2005 QuoteBBBbbbbbbwwwwwhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa He was trying to give some balance and the libs went nuts. (I am not condoning breaking rules OK?) You post is misleading at best. Did you see the interviews or hear him speek? What should be done is pull all gov. funding and let them stand on thier own (whick of course they can't .......much like Air America) Don't give up your job to become a spinmeister - you just aren't very good at it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 November 16, 2005 It gets tax dollars too. That being the case it is a requirment that there is balance, right?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #13 November 16, 2005 QuoteIt gets tax dollars too. That being the case it is a requirment that there is balance, right? So how come the CPB board is overwhelmingly Republican and both chairman and vice chair are also Republican? Is that your definition of balance?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #14 November 16, 2005 It was is broadcasted don't you think."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 November 16, 2005 So now we have CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc on the liberal side, with Fox and PBS (I'm guessing that's right?) in the middle or slightly conservative... Yup...seems VERY fair overall, doesn't it? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #16 November 16, 2005 TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 November 16, 2005 Quote Hey you....don't laugh at me in that tone of voice!!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 November 16, 2005 QuoteWhat should be done is pull all gov. funding and let them stand on thier own Well, this part I totally agree with. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #19 November 16, 2005 Heh wasnt directly aimed at you. I just find the liberal/conservative press angle totally dud. They're all profit driven (in PBS's case funding driven) entities. If they didnt report in a way that appealed to their audiences they wouldnt report that way. To believe that the media is inherently liberal or conservative seems more indicative of your own prejudices and bias than any real or percieved bias present in the media. "THE MEDIA" is not a huge monolithic entity that is part of any giant conspiracy for either side. Objectively I'd say that the US media is utter crap, full of editorializing and infotainment bullshit of relatively little value to anyone. As a transplant here I was struck by the huge amount of fear mongering and relatively little objective news coverage of real issues present in the reporting here - the responses back were ' I like to see my news readers show me how they feel about something'. Which runs contrary to my concept of what the news is about - giving me information without overt coloring from the source itself (impossible, but at least attempted in other countries). Unfortunately it seems that in less than 20 years this style of news reporting is now accepted as an accurate portrayal of "reality", which allows for the kinds of insane bullshit that gets spouted by politicians and members of this forum on both sides of the fence. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #20 November 16, 2005 Here here. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 November 16, 2005 QuoteHeh wasnt directly aimed at you. I just find the liberal/conservative press angle totally dud. They're all profit driven (in PBS's case funding driven) entities. If they didnt report in a way that appealed to their audiences they wouldnt report that way. To believe that the media is inherently liberal or conservative seems more indicative of your own prejudices and bias than any real or percieved bias present in the media. "THE MEDIA" is not a huge monolithic entity that is part of any giant conspiracy for either side. Objectively I'd say that the US media is utter crap, full of editorializing and infotainment bullshit of relatively little value to anyone. As a transplant here I was struck by the huge amount of fear mongering and relatively little objective news coverage of real issues present in the reporting here - the responses back were ' I like to see my news readers show me how they feel about something'. Which runs contrary to my concept of what the news is about - giving me information without overt coloring from the source itself (impossible, but at least attempted in other countries). Unfortunately it seems that in less than 20 years this style of news reporting is now accepted as an accurate portrayal of "reality", which allows for the kinds of insane bullshit that gets spouted by politicians and members of this forum on both sides of the fence. Oh, I definitely agree - it's gone from new reporting to news editorializing, sadly...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 November 16, 2005 QuoteThey're all profit driven (in PBS's case funding driven) entities. If they didnt report in a way that appealed to their audiences they wouldnt report that way. To believe that the media is inherently liberal or conservative seems more indicative of your own prejudices and bias than any real or percieved bias present in the media. "THE MEDIA" is not a huge monolithic entity that is part of any giant conspiracy for either side. Objectively I'd say that the US media is utter crap, full of editorializing and infotainment bullshit of relatively little value to anyone. As a transplant here I was struck by the huge amount of fear mongering and relatively little objective news coverage of real issues present in the reporting here - the responses back were ' I like to see my news readers show me how they feel about something'. Which runs contrary to my concept of what the news is about - giving me information without overt coloring from the source itself (impossible, but at least attempted in other countries). Unfortunately it seems that in less than 20 years this style of news reporting is now accepted as an accurate portrayal of "reality", which allows for the kinds of insane bullshit that gets spouted by politicians and members of this forum on both sides of the fence. I'd just like to show that again. I was going to reduce it to just the well spoken bits for brevity. I couldn't delete a single word. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #23 November 16, 2005 QuoteSo now we have CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc on the liberal side, with Fox and PBS (I'm guessing that's right?) in the middle or slightly conservative... Yup...seems VERY fair overall, doesn't it? CBS, CNN, NBC, ABC: all major corporations owned by capitalists. Yup, I can see why they'd be slanted towards the left.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 November 16, 2005 Quoteall major corporations owned by capitalists OH MY GOD. Call the press - I can see the headlines (maybe the Onion anyway) "Breaking News - Corporations Owned by Capitalists" "next week an in depth study on why professional rock climbers have strong fingers...grad student receives huge research grant to investigate" So do you recommend that only the government own corporations? Is that the point? If not, it's a pretty obtuse statement. Did youknow that Capitalists come in varying political persuasions? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #25 November 16, 2005 As an outsider the story that concerned me most was the absolute lack of outcry when the news organizations admitted that they often run video press releases from both political parties without clear attribution - lending viewers to believe that they are watching a legitimate piece of news rather than simply more propoganda. Without babbling on it too much: US TV news finally died the moment the executives demanded it become a profit center rather than a news service funded by the networks other content. But then that dovetails into why I think journalism died and my various internal conflicts corporatism (right to profit vs public responsibility). TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites