Protesters at Soldiers funeral-

[jenfly00 0]

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It almost seems like you're looking for something to get mad at.

If someone pulled something like that at my friend's funeral, I would want to beat the crap out of them, too. But I also wouldn't. I suspect you would feel the same way.

Not sure which of my comments you are responding to but, did you not read this: "I empathize with his feelings but would not accept his actions"

I'm in agreement with his feelings.

Remember, Bill, attack the message not the messanger.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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valcore clearly noted he wouldn't take physical action, just would be very upset. I wouldn't call that boorish.

And he opened with: "I am sorry but if someone protested at one of my fellow Marines funeral then I would be facing more then a battery charge."

His rational side followed up with "I don't really mean that." Which would win? Hopefully he'll never have to face such a scene, because it's hard to remain rational when it gets personal.

I imagine a jury would give him the first punch. But not too many more.

[kallend 2,148]

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So when you swore to defend the Constitution, you didn't really mean it.

You keep saying that. .

I do? I thought I'd written it just once.

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[SudsyFist 0]

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Anyone protests at a funeral of a friend or relative of mine, they're going to get hurt. Will I get arrested? Maybe. Those are my consequences to deal with.

Not to derail the thread, but that's precisely the kind of attitude I wouldn't want to see a CCW permit holder to display. Kinda hurts the cause, ya know?

[ReBirth 0]

I meant that you keep claiming that anyone who punched these fucktards didn't believe in, or was violating their 1st amendment rights. That's just not true.

Here's a real world example. A friend of mine in high school died in a car accident. She was a freaky looking punk rock chick, and a straight edge. In school the next day, some asshole replied loudly in the hallway after someone mentioned her death, "well she was a druggie, she deserved it". I punched him in the face and we got in a fight. A few others broke it up. I got suspended...so did he.

I didn't violate his first amendment rights. I punched an asshole in the jaw, he deserved it, and I'd do it again.

[ReBirth 0]

I generally don't carry a concealed weapon. If I were armed I would never initiate a physical confrontation. I would secure my weapon somewhere off my person first, then punch them in the face.

I am NOT prone to violence in general. I don't fly off the handle and I don't strike at people in anger. If someone pisses me off, I walk away. But there are exceptions. Every man has their limit. I just happen to recognize what mine are.

[Lindsey 0]

I didn't violate his first amendment rights. I punched an asshole in the jaw, he deserved it, and I'd do it again.

He didn't deserve it. He said what he thought, though tasteless, and it did not appeal to you. What you did was much worse.... People don't deserve to be beaten into believing and behaving according to another person's standards.

[kallend 2,148]

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I meant that you keep claiming that anyone who punched these fucktards didn't believe in, or was violating their 1st amendment rights. That's just not true.

Here's a real world example. A friend of mine in high school died in a car accident. She was a freaky looking punk rock chick, and a straight edge. In school the next day, some asshole replied loudly in the hallway after someone mentioned her death, "well she was a druggie, she deserved it". I punched him in the face and we got in a fight. A few others broke it up. I got suspended...so did he.

I didn't violate his first amendment rights. I punched an asshole in the jaw, he deserved it, and I'd do it again.

My choice of words was, I think, fairly careful. I didn't claim anyone deprived the protesters of their rights.

There's a big difference in depriving someone of their rights and in not believing that they have such rights.

If you punch someone for exercising their rights, I suggest very strongly that you don't really believe they have those rights.

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[jenfly00 0]

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I meant that you keep claiming that anyone who punched these fucktards didn't believe in, or was violating their 1st amendment rights. That's just not true.

Here's a real world example. A friend of mine in high school died in a car accident. She was a freaky looking punk rock chick, and a straight edge. In school the next day, some asshole replied loudly in the hallway after someone mentioned her death, "well she was a druggie, she deserved it". I punched him in the face and we got in a fight. A few others broke it up. I got suspended...so did he.

I didn't violate his first amendment rights. I punched an asshole in the jaw, he deserved it, and I'd do it again.

While my sympathies would be with you, I would not have accepted your action.

He made a shitty comment. He didn't earn the suspension and you deserved to go to jail. Perhaps if you had served some time you wouldn't currently be so willing to "do it again".

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[valcore 0]

Well from my understanding and correct me if I am wrong, the first amendment only goes until you start infringing on other peoples rights. Such as in this case Slander..... possible but I am no lawer so take it or leave it.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I'm from the government and I'm here to help’. ~Ronald Reagan

30,000,000 legal firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

[ReBirth 0]

I believe they have a right to say what they want without government infringement. I don't believe anyone has the right to say anything they want under any circumstances with no ramifications. There's a big difference.

If you call your boss an asshole and he fires you, does he not believe in the 1st amendment?

[kallend 2,148]

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I believe they have a right to say what they want without government infringement. I don't believe anyone has the right to say anything they want under any circumstances with no ramifications. There's a big difference.

If you call your boss an asshole and he fires you, does he not believe in the 1st amendment?

It is quite legal to fire me. It is not legal to strike me.

I don't have a right to work for this boss. I do have a right not to be battered by him.

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[ReBirth 0]

You think minors who get in fights at school should go to jail?

Jail's a little more harsh than a punch in the face.

I've experienced both. I'm guessing you've experienced neither. Who are you to judge?

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Now that I think about it, here is what I would have done:

When I saw the group, I would have gotten my friends and went and stood DIRECTLY in front of them. And I mean DIRECTLY -- like 4 inches from their faces. And done nothing save for maybe a shout back at them.

They step left, I step left.
They step right, I step right.

Then we could have seen how long they take that shit.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[ReBirth 0]

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It is quite legal to fire me. It is not legal to strike me.

Yep...but what's that have to do with the constitution?

[Lindsey 0]

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You think minors who get in fights at school should go to jail?

Jail's a little more harsh than a punch in the face.

I've experienced both. I'm guessing you've experienced neither. Who are you to judge?

What you describe is not a fight. You struck another individual.

linz

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You think minors who get in fights at school should go to jail?

Jail's a little more harsh than a punch in the face.

I've experienced both. I'm guessing you've experienced neither. Who are you to judge?

What you describe is not a fight. You struck another individual.

linz

He said that it led to a fight. How exactly did fights start when you went to school?

Children in school usually should not be sent to jail for starting a fight. Half of my school would not had graduated had that occured.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[kallend 2,148]

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It is quite legal to fire me. It is not legal to strike me.

Yep...but what's that have to do with the constitution?

You and I apparently look at this differently. I claim that if you truly believe someone has the right of free expression, you would not assault and batter them for exercising that right.

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[jenfly00 0]

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You think minors who get in fights at school should go to jail?

Jail's a little more harsh than a punch in the face.

I've experienced both. I'm guessing you've experienced neither. Who are you to judge?

Jail is harsh?!?!?! OMG!

At the risk of sounding like an activist again, did he break the law? Did he commit battery against another person who broke no laws and represented no threat? Yes, I would support his arrest and detainment until a very reasonable bail was posted by parents.

Do I think he should have been sentenced to jail time ...sounds disproportionate from what he states, but arrested and taken to jail, you bet! Such mistakes are the main reason juvenile records are sealed when you become an adult.

FYI, I spent a total of 6 days in the hospital and had two surgeries for a fractured jaw and a Laforte (sp?) fracture when a student struck me. The student was suspended from school, arrested and placed on probation. That was seven years ago. He is currently in jail awaiting trial in Orange Country for four counts of Armed Robbery, rape and kidnapping.

If you can't control your testosterone, society has passed laws to help you.

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[jenfly00 0]

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You think minors who get in fights at school should go to jail?

Jail's a little more harsh than a punch in the face.

I've experienced both. I'm guessing you've experienced neither. Who are you to judge?

What you describe is not a fight. You struck another individual.

linz

He said that it led to a fight. How exactly did fights start when you went to school?

Children in school usually should not be sent to jail for starting a fight. Half of my school would not had graduated had that occured.

Can you read??? He said, I punched him in the face and we got in a fight

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[ReBirth 0]

We do look at it differently. I truly believe the government should not infringe on the peoples' right to free expression.

I also believe people that are dumbasses and go screaming in bullhorns at funerals deserve to get a punch in the mouth.

I hold these two beliefs separately and don't see a conflict.

Now if the government came along and stopped them from protesting, I'd have a problem with it.

The gov't should stay out of most things. People should exercise common sense in lieu of gov't control. Where common sense is lacking, ramifications occur.

[GTAVercetti 0]

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Can you read??? He said, I punched him in the face and we got in a fight

Yes. Now can YOU read what you JUST posted after the "punch in the face" line?

A fight occurred from the initial blow. A fight is an act of two people. How many fights do you know of that do not start with one person striking first?

I simply took issue with the statement: 'What you describe is not a fight" when he CLEARLY said a fight was the result of the punch.

But thanks for questioning my comprehension skills. Ironic.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Lindsey 0]

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You think minors who get in fights at school should go to jail?

Jail's a little more harsh than a punch in the face.

I've experienced both. I'm guessing you've experienced neither. Who are you to judge?

What you describe is not a fight. You struck another individual.

linz

He said that it led to a fight. How exactly did fights start when you went to school?

Children in school usually should not be sent to jail for starting a fight. Half of my school would not had graduated had that occured.

It led to a fight because he HIT the guy. Otherwise it wouldn't have led to a fight....

[SudsyFist 0]

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I also believe people that are dumbasses and go screaming in bullhorns at funerals deserve to get a punch in the mouth.

*shaking head*

Violence begets more violence. You do nothing but cause more harm with such an attitude.

Try some Kant. It goes down well with a swig of humility.

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And how do most fights start?

that is all I am saying. Not whether he was right or wrong, but I NEVER saw a fight that just spontaneously erupted with one side not starting it first.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.