Protesters at Soldiers funeral-

[ReBirth 0]

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Like rehmwa said

Damn you! Why do you keep giving credit to others for what I said first?

[kelpdiver 2]

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I disagree. Burning the flag is a political statement. Disrespecting a dead soldier and his family is personal.

Their protest was certainly a political statement. A barnyard stupid one (God is punishing our soldiers because we aren't stoning gays), but no doubt that it was that. And if that's your message, then the place you're going to trumpet it is at the cemetery.

Battery is clearly defined as well.

Somewhere in the middle you reach a point where the protest is intended to incite violence. See anti choice nuts at abortion clinics.

So if the guy knocked a protester off his ass for holding a nasty sign...I'd probably give a suspended sentence that would be wiped off 365 days later.

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Like rehmwa said

Damn you! Why do you keep giving credit to others for what I said first?

Well, mostly cause I hate you.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[rehmwa 2]

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Like rehmwa said

Damn you! Why do you keep giving credit to others for what I said first?

Right, I frequently plaguer/playger/playguerize/playjer........ copy Rebirth's stuff. What can I say? when he's on, he's on.

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[ReBirth 0]

you playgerigizer!!!!

[valcore 0]

I am sorry but if someone protested at one of my fellow Marines funeral then I would be facing more then a battery charge. They have no f#*king right to be protesting at a funeral. These people need to be arrested on spot and shot, that way we can go protest at theirs and see how their family likes it.

What is this country coming to lately. Yes you have the right to protest and by all means exercise that right but there is a time an place to do it and a funeral is not one of them.


Keep in mind that I would not actually start anything with them that just how I feel about what they are doing.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I'm from the government and I'm here to help’. ~Ronald Reagan

30,000,000 legal firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

[kallend 2,117]

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I am sorry but if someone protested at one of my fellow Marines funeral then I would be facing more then a battery charge. They have no f#*king right to be protesting at a funeral. These people need to be arrested on spot and shot, that way we can go protest at theirs and see how their family likes it.

What is this country coming to lately. Yes you have the right to protest and by all means exercise that right but there is a time an place to do it and a funeral is not one of them.


Keep in mind that I would not actually start anything with them that just how I feel about what they are doing.

So when you swore to defend the Constitution, you didn't really mean it.

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[scaryshari 0]

Let's see how battery vs. rights would come to play, say if it were a publicly adored figure.

These idiots belong in a freakin cave.

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[wmw999 2,560]

John, he did say that's how he feels, not what he would do.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[sinker 0]

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Well, mostly cause I hate you.

seeing you in your tinfoil hat gives me a stiffy.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

[Lindsey 0]

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John, he did say that's how he feels, not what he would do.

Wendy W.

And he IS the Luck Dragon after all....harmless....

[jenfly00 0]

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These idiots belong in a freakin cave.

I'm wondering which idiots you are referring to. The freakazoids who dishonor a family grieving for their lost loved one ...or the more dangerous subspecies who would beat and/or kill those who broke no laws and presented no threat to anyone, while wrapping themselves in the flag of honor?

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Well, mostly cause I hate you.

seeing you in your tinfoil hat gives me a stiffy.

That scares me and the children.

Please, think of the children.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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John, he did say that's how he feels, not what he would do.

Wendy W.

Yes he did. "I am sorry but if someone protested at one of my fellow Marines funeral then I would be facing more then a battery charge."

Later he sniveled and stated, "Keep in mind that I would not actually start anything with them that just how I feel about what they are doing"

I empathize with his feelings but would not accept his actions.

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[billvon 3,090]

It almost seems like you're looking for something to get mad at.

If someone pulled something like that at my friend's funeral, I would want to beat the crap out of them, too. But I also wouldn't. I suspect you would feel the same way.

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John, he did say that's how he feels, not what he would do.

Wendy W.

And he IS the Luck Dragon after all....harmless....

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The most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I'm from the government and I'm here to help’. ~Ronald Reagan

30,000,000 legal firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

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It almost seems like you're looking for something to get mad at.

If someone pulled something like that at my friend's funeral, I would want to beat the crap out of them, too. But I also wouldn't. I suspect you would feel the same way.

ok Bill has a much better way of putting it. I am not a killer or a fighter so please do think that is what I am trying to say. But I would feel very strongly about what they are doing.

So you can understand, I am a Marine, I have known fellow Marines who did not come home and I wish there didn't have to be a War.

But I would never change it if I could.

We are doing great things for the Iraqi people and will continue to do so. It is sad that we must lose lives in the process, but please, don't disgrace the sacrifice that they gave but protesting at thier funeral.

This is what makes me mad, protest the war not the soldiers who protect your rights.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I'm from the government and I'm here to help’. ~Ronald Reagan

30,000,000 legal firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

[kallend 2,117]

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It almost seems like you're looking for something to get mad at.

If someone pulled something like that at my friend's funeral, I would want to beat the crap out of them, too. But I also wouldn't. I suspect you would feel the same way.

ok Bill has a much better way of putting it. I am not a killer or a fighter so please do think that is what I am trying to say. But I would feel very strongly about what they are doing.

So you can understand, I am a Marine, I have known fellow Marines who did not come home and I wish there didn't have to be a War.

But I would never change it if I could.

We are doing great things for the Iraqi people and will continue to do so. It is sad that we must lose lives in the process, but please, don't disgrace the sacrifice that they gave but protesting at thier funeral. T

his is what makes me mad, protest the war not the soldiers who protect your rights.

Someone else's tasteless boorish behavior should not be used as an excuse for our own.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Someone else's tasteless boorish behavior should not be used as an excuse for our own.

really John, what's your point here?

valcore clearly noted he wouldn't take physical action, just would be very upset. I wouldn't call that boorish.

The original person was charged, and his boorish actions are separate from the other boorish protesters' actions. Both of which were wrong. Last I checked, 2 wrongs make 2 wrongs. Everyone agrees on that, they just tend to sympathize more with the guy who was affronted, rather than a nut group looking for an excuse to get their idiotic message out at the expense of anyone they can. Imagine that.

But picking at people just because they 'sympathize' with the one gentleman is pretty boorish itself IMHO. And I oughta know about boorish behavior, I'm pretty bad at it myself.

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Prof,

I respect your opinoin so I ask this;

Are you upset at the protesters lack of tact?

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Do you think it is ok since the First Amendmant protects free speach?

I agree they can speak their mind as it is protected, but I think they should have done so with out hurting that family any more.

But they did it for the attention, which they wanted and we have given. Lets just ingore them and move on to important, real issues.

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[billvon 3,090]

>Someone else's tasteless boorish behavior should not be used as
>an excuse for our own.

What boorish behavior is that? He said he wanted to kill those guys, but that he wouldn't. That's showing restraint, not boorish behavior.

Whatever you feel about the war, the people actually doing the fighting are not the ones to blame for the decision to go to war in the first place. War affects people different ways, and I think that we should make allowances for the sort of anger/grief/shock that some returning vets feel. I have a lot more sympathy for the people at that funeral than I have for the protesters - even if both sides were hurling the same insults at each other.

And the guy who got arrested for battery? Like someone else said, I hope his state of mind is taken into consideration, and he gets three months probation or something similar. What he did was wrong, but I think we should make allowances for people serving their country like that.

[Lindsey 0]

I'm glad that free speech is protected under the Constitution, but it's unfortunate when people's bad behavior is limited only by what's allowable under the law.

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[kallend 2,117]

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>Someone else's tasteless boorish behavior should not be used as
>an excuse for our own.

What boorish behavior is that? He said he wanted to kill those guys, but that he wouldn't. That's showing restraint, not boorish behavior.

Many here appear to sympathise with the batterer. IMO his behavior cannot be excused on account of the tasteless and boorish behavior of the protesters.

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And the guy who got arrested for battery? Like someone else said, I hope his state of mind is taken into consideration, and he gets three months probation or something similar. What he did was wrong, but I think we should make allowances for people serving their country like that.

Nice post Bill - "sympathizing" doesn't equate to excusing breaking the law, except in the 9th circuit maybe

But the guy who was 'charged' with battery (I still think the odds of it being a hyped up charge are very likely, but I haven't followed the news on this one): He should be charged with battery. I believe there is a term for being pushed into a fight rather than just attacking someone - isn't it "aggravation"? If so, that would have a different set of punishment attached to it compared to just going up an hitting some stranger in the back of the head. So we already make allowances for situational content without having to be specific for this exact situation.

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So when you swore to defend the Constitution, you didn't really mean it.

You keep saying that. Where did anyone advocate that the gov't should stop them from protesting? That's what's in the constitution. Otherwise everyone who socked some loud mouthed jerk for spouting off about anything would be charged with civil liberties violations.

I'm generally a peaceful person. But people have to understand that there are consequences to actions. Anyone protests at a funeral of a friend or relative of mine, they're going to get hurt. Will I get arrested? Maybe. Those are my consequences to deal with.