President Bush Fires Back Against Critics

[wmw999 2,588]

If one source interprets something one way, and virtually every other source out there interprets it a different way, how do you differentiate?

If you use "they agree with someone I respect" as your main judgment method, then you might want to do more critical thinking of your own.

Sometimes lots and lots of people think a particular way because it ends up with a better long-term result.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,118]

>But the acusation that "Bush lied" about the war is a crazy
>argument unless . .

I'm not claiming he lied. I'm claiming he misled the US into a war that he desperately wanted.

(And to head off the inevitable semantic argument that will result - "misled" meant telling people one side of the story to influence them into taking action he wished to take.)

>you call Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Ried, Clinton, Edwards, the UN,
> Russia, Great Briton, Itally, Germany, France and whole fucking rest
> of the world liers!!

"The whole fucking rest of the world" as you describe it didn't buy into the whole "there is no doubt he has WMDs" line. Remember how everyone hated Germany and France because they didn't believe us that Saddam certainly had WMD's? Turns out they were right.

>The line that the senate does not see the same intel is a bullshit
>line too.

Google the term PDR. See if the president gets it. Now see if congress gets it.

If you don't feel like googling it, then just take my word that the senate does NOT get the same intel as the president. Weren't you one of the people claiming "well, of COURSE he's not going to tell us or congress all of his super secret info!"

>If you can't see this then your eyes are wide closed!!

There's plenty of evidence. Before 9/11, the administration claimed Saddam was bottled up, and there was no issue there. He had no WMD's. Shortly after 9/11, they claimed there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11.

As time went on, Bush saw his golden opportunity to invade Iraq and fulfull the goals of the PNAC. So he started gradually changing the story. Saddam wasn't bottled up. He had WMD programs. He was involved with 9/11. Fighting Saddam was the same as fighting the 9/11 terrorists. He was an imminent threat to the safety of the US.

Now, after the war, he's trying to change course again, because it turns out that none of his claims came true. "I never said he was an imminent threat." "There's really no connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda." "It's these democrats who are changing their stories, not me!"

20 years ago, Bush could have gotten away with this; people would actually believe him when he said something like "it's the democrats changing their story!" Nowadays, unfortunately for him, anyone with a PC can google his statements and see for themselves how his story has changed. Which is one reason that most americans think that he is dishonest and untrustworthy. And not all the spin in the world is going to change that.

[skydyvr 0]

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Yes, I bet they will believe it.

No, the bank would simply conclude you're an irresponsible moron. They wouldn't think you'd been deliberately lying.

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[rushmc 23]

You had better go find all of thier quotes. In many cases they made more of case than Bush did.

You want me to post them again?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ReBirth 0]

THEY are not the CIC. THEY didn't order troops into harms way. THEY voted to give the president the power to use force if necessary. He is the one that said it was necessary. It was NOT.

Honestly though, fine with me if you replace every stinking congressman while we're at it. Keep the same partisan breakdown if you want, I don't care. But those that are in power now screwed up, big time and people are dying because of it.

If you want to spread the blame around fine...but quit trying to act like NONE OF IT belongs to Bush.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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THEY are not the CIC. THEY didn't order troops into harms way. THEY voted to give the president the power to use force if necessary. He is the one that said it was necessary. It was NOT.

Honestly though, fine with me if you replace every stinking congressman while we're at it. Keep the same partisan breakdown if you want, I don't care. But those that are in power now screwed up, big time and people are dying because of it.

If you want to spread the blame around fine...but quit trying to act like NONE OF IT belongs to Bush.

Speading the blame around is appropriate because there's much to spread. What pisses me off is the hypocracy of those who would have done the same as Bush now bashing him for political gain. I would even go so far as to say that many of the same fucktard politicians who now are trying to pretend like they are innocent morons, manipulated by Bush, actually encouraged and emboldened him with their support at the time.

[skydyvr 0]

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THEY are not the CIC. THEY didn't order troops into harms way. THEY voted to give the president the power to use force if necessary.

I just watched 20 minutes of clips from THEM (the brand name hypocritcal liberals) making a VERY convincing case for taking out SH just prior to the war. Hillary Clinton and John Kerry were most convincing.

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[ReBirth 0]

Good...get rid of them too. Throw out all the bums...it's revolution baby, yeah....SHWING!!!!

[AlexCrowley 0]

Rush, just ignore my stuff, you obviously can't try hard enough.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[ReBirth 0]

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I just watched 20 minutes of clips

Context is key. If you want to see some clips, check out a Michael Moore flick. You'll get the same level of context and accurate portrayal.

[skydyvr 0]

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Context is key. If you want to see some clips, check out a Michael Moore flick. You'll get the same level of context and accurate portrayal.

People speaking behind a podium uninterrupted for any length of time are hard to misportray . . .

Anyway, is it true Michael Moore owns/owned a bunch of Haliburton stock, or was that just a rumor?

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[skydyvr 0]

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Good...get rid of them too. Throw out all the bums...it's revolution baby, yeah....SHWING!!!!

Like Stern used to say, mega dildoes to that!

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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Good...get rid of them too. Throw out all the bums...it's revolution baby, yeah....SHWING!!!!

Attica... Attica...Attica...

[billvon 3,118]

>You had better go find all of thier quotes.

I've seen them.

Let's take another example. I'm in the front of an Otter. The pilot says something to me and points at the EGT gauge. I turn and say "Engine failure! Bail out! Bail out!" You hear me and jump from the plane, which is just passing 1500 feet.

On the ground, you get busted for opening below 2000 feet. "But he said bail out!" you claim. I reply "Well, it's true I did say bail out, but I didn't say you had to. And the engine was running a little hot. The pilot agrees it _might_ have failed, but it turned out there was no imminent threat of failure. But YOU jumped."

Should you be grounded?

[rushmc 23]

No, liberty and freedom along with our security are being maintained because of it.

Freedom is not free............

But thank you for agreeing that Bush is not or did not lie....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

But the quotes I have start in 1998??

Before we even knew who GWB was.

Explain that one.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Harry Reid also said Iraq was an immentant threat....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,118]

>But the quotes I have start in 1998?? . . . Explain that one.....

[kallend 2,148]

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>you are calling John McCain a liar . . .

So that would be saying that someone who says that someone who says someone is a liar, is a liar, is a liar?

In any case, McCain is merely mistaken. If he later says "I never said that!" then he would be either a liar or a victim of a defective memory.

I agree with you Bill. But you and I are using a different defiition of a lie than Kallend. By his definition, McCain is a liar.

He IS a politician, and a Republican, so who would be surprised?

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[kallend 2,148]

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Yes, I bet they will believe it.

No, the bank would simply conclude you're an irresponsible moron. They wouldn't think you'd been deliberately lying.

Well, irresponsible moron or liar, GWB is one or the other then.

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[ReBirth 0]

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But thank you for agreeing that Bush is not or did not lie....

Hmmm, I must have missed where I said that. And as far as I can tell, our freedom and security have both been compromised by Bush and his policies, no matter who else voted for them.

[kallend 2,148]

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Harry Reid also said Iraq was an immentant threat....

I don't care if Donald Duck said it, the one that sent our troops to invade another country on the basis of falsehoods was the CinC.

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[ReBirth 0]

But but but...they gave him permission to be a weasel...doesn't that exhonerate him?

[billvon 3,118]

> But but but...they gave him permission to be a weasel...doesn't that exhonerate him?

If you take the John Belushi approach to such things. "Hey, you screwed up. You trusted me."

Remember, he didn't mislead anyone, congress misfollowed him!