President Bush Fires Back Against Critics

[SudsyFist 0]

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I like how you ingone the main point of my post.

And I *heart* how you ingone that of mine.

[rushmc 23]

So did they lie too?

You don't have anything to stand on when you say Bush lies so get over it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gawain 0]

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France, Germany, Russia, Great Britin, Itally and other (along with your bow at the alter UN) said SH had a weapons program.

Well...it doesn't much matter what any of them think does it? They didn't invade and prove htemselves wrong.

Um, the UK and Italy were part of the coalition that invaded Iraq, and all have been involved in Afghanistan I believe.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[rushmc 23]

But you have no main point. You have nothing to stand on when you say Bush lied. See, I did not miss a thing

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gawain 0]

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And I *heart* how you ingone that of mine.

I think we just found the need for a new emoticon...the heart. Think of the love that could be spread right here in SC.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[SudsyFist 0]

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But you have no main point.

Yeah, it's you that bends.

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You have nothing to stand on when you say Bush lied.

When did I say that?

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See, I did not miss a thing

WHOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH!!!

[ReBirth 0]

Good point...some of them proved themselves wrong, too.

[ReBirth 0]

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So did they lie too?

You don't have anything to stand on when you say Bush lies so get over it

Ummm, I believe it was quoted earlier where Bush stated that we had secured WMD sites in Iraq, that Rumsfeld stated we knew specifically where stockpiles were hidden. Are you claiming those exist? That stuff wasn't based on intelligence. Those were claims of supposed fact made by the administration that were WRONG.

By the way...can you name one campaign promise that Bush has kept? Seems to me they were all lies as well.

[billvon 3,118]

> To many agent filled shell and uranium stock piles show the SH
>was in fact persuing a WMD.

Who's using talking points now? The shells you speak of had did not have chemical weapons in them. See below.

And the uranium you're talking about was under IAEA seals; they knew about it and were fine with it. This is because raw uranium ore is about as useful as a warehouse of smoke detectors when it comes to making nuclear weapons. We broke the seals when we invaded, then we left the doors open, and locals made off with the uranium (primarily for the barrels.)

>He had a a WMD program and he had to be taken out.

There is zero proof of that. Zero, zilch, nada. And all the hopes and dreams of the GOP won't change that.

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Last Updated: Sunday, 18 January, 2004, 16:18 GMT
'No blister agent' in Iraq shells

Three dozen mortar shells uncovered in Iraq earlier this month had no chemical agents, the Danish army says. It is not clear why initial tests first showed they could contain blister gas, the Danish army said in a statement carried by the AP news agency.

The 36 shells were found in southern Iraq buried among building equipment, even though they appeared to have been abandoned for at least 10 years.
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Published on Thursday, April 10, 2003 by the Associated Press
Experts Say US 'Discovery' of Nuclear Materials in Iraq was Breach of UN-Monitored Site
by William J. Kole

VIENNA, Austria -- American troops who suggested they uncovered evidence of an active nuclear weapons program in Iraq unwittingly may have stumbled across known stocks of low-grade uranium, officials said Thursday. They said the U.S. troops may have broken U.N. seals meant to keep control of the radioactive material.

Leaders of a U.S. Marine Corps combat engineering unit claimed earlier this week to have found an underground network of laboratories, warehouses and bombproof offices beneath the closely monitored Tuwaitha nuclear research center just south of Baghdad.

The Marines said they discovered 14 buildings at the site which emitted unusually high levels of radiation, and that a search of one building revealed ''many, many drums'' containing highly radioactive material. If documented, such a discovery could bolster Bush administration claims that Saddam Hussein was trying to develop nuclear weaponry.

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But an expert familiar with U.N. nuclear inspections told The Associated Press that it was implausible to believe that U.S. forces had uncovered anything new at the site. Instead, the official said, the Marines apparently broke U.N. seals designed to ensure the materials aren't diverted for weapons use or end up in the wrong hands.

''What happened apparently was that they broke IAEA seals, which is very unfortunate because those seals are integral to ensuring that nuclear material doesn't get diverted,'' the expert said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

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Oh...and let's not forget the fake news stories about Medicare that the President had produced in an effort to decieve the American public. But yeah...I have nothing to stand on. He's as honest as the day is long. Guess it's not the same when he pays other people (with federal money) to lie for him.

[Gravitymaster 0]

From Face the Nation:

SCHIEFFER: President Bush accused his critics of rewriting history last week.
Sen. McCAIN: Yeah.

SCHIEFFER: And in--he said in doing so, the criticisms they were making of his war policy was endangering our troops in Iraq. Do you believe it is unpatriotic to criticize the Iraq policy?

Sen. McCAIN: No, I think it's a very legitimate aspect of American life to criticize and to disagree and to debate. But I want to say I think it's a lie to say that the president lied to the American people. I sat on the Robb-Silverman Commission. I saw many, many analysts that came before that committee. I asked every one of them--I said, `Did--were you ever pressured politically or any other way to change your analysis of the situation as you saw?' Every one of them said no.

[jenfly00 0]

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there are plenty of situations right now where I do not support the current admin. The war in Iraq is not one of those.

No one should, and I don't condem anyone who disagrees with the war or how it is being handled. I do however have a huge problem with those that choose to you lies and tallking points to bear up thier arguments.

Too many fact support the GWB in his assesment. To many agent filled shell and uranium stock piles show the SH was in fact persuing a WMD. He had a a WMD program and he had to be taken out.

One day before the war Bush told SH that if he and his family would leave Iraq he would not invade.

Finally, this is your home too, if your profile is correct. and I am supposed to admit my support is unwarrented? Because that is what you think.

I got my facts.......do you?

I appreciate your measured response. We disagree on what are 'facts', but I can live with that.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[kallend 2,148]

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But you have no main point. You have nothing to stand on when you say Bush lied. See, I did not miss a thing

"the deficit will be small and short lived" - he said it in the SOTU address to Congress and the American people. He then enacted policies that reduced revenues and increased spending.

Explain how that is not deliberate deception (aka "lie").

And then there's all that stuff about Iraq being an "imminent threat", that when the truth came out, McClellan (GWB's official mouthpiece) denied.

Explain how that was not a lie.

Then there's the true cost of the Medicare drug benefit program, which was withheld from Congress until after the vote while a false number was given to them.

Explain how that was not deliberate deception (aka "lie").

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[skydyvr 0]

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Explain how that is not deliberate deception (aka "lie").

Imagine someone you liked saying those things -- that might help you grasp the concept of "miscalculation".

All people with responsibilities, including presidents, make miscalculations. Whether Bush has lied or made miscalculations (on any given subject) remains to be seen.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

According to John McCain, anyone who says the President lied, shouldn't be believed. I give John McCain more credit for knowing what happened than I would a political layman.

[rushmc 23]

Now Colin Powell is a lying bastard too

Monday, Nov. 14, 2005 11:30 p.m. EST
Colin Powell's Tape Shows Iraqis 'Evacuating' WMDs



Bush officials have done such a poor job defending themselves against charges they lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction that even their supporters seem to have forgotten about some of the most compelling WMD evidence.

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, for instance, keeps apologizing for his speech to the United Nations on the eve of the Iraq war. But at least one chilling bit of evidence he introduced there has never been refuted.

Here's how Powell introduced his case on Feb. 5, 2003:

POWELL: Let me begin by playing a tape for you. What you're about to hear is a conversation that my government monitored. It takes place on November 26 [2002], on the day before United Nations teams resumed inspections in Iraq.


The conversation involves two senior officers, a colonel and a brigadier general, from Iraq's elite military unit, the Republican Guard.
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IRAQI COLONEL : About this committee that is coming with [U.N. nuclear weapons inspector] Mohamed ElBaradei.

IRAQI GENERAL : Yeah, yeah.

COL: We have this modified vehicle. What do we say if one of them sees it?



GEN: You didn't get a modified... You don't have a modified...
COL: By God, I have one.

GEN: Which? From the workshop...?

COL: From the al-Kindi Company

GEN: Yeah, yeah. I'll come to you in the morning. I have some comments. I'm worried you all have something left.

COL: We evacuated everything. We don't have anything left. [END OF POWELL TAPE EXCERPT]

What type of "modified vehicle" do Iraq war critics think Saddam's general was worried about? A souped-up 1967 Mustang?

And what, pray tell, do they think Saddam's colonel was referring to when he said, "We evacuated everything. We don't have anything left"?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SudsyFist 0]

Please link to your sources. I'd rather respond to your posts when authenticity and credibility are not in question.

Thanks.

[rushmc 23]

Why don't you find this through your own sources first? Then you know it is credible.

Wait, I will bet you can't find this on your sources even though this happened during one of the televised speeches.

Let me know and I will post the link eventually..............

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ReBirth 0]

Still waiting for your source regarding unemployment being lower than anytime during Clinton's term.

[Wopelao 0]

How about this or this how about this one can you hear me now?

How about now?

Yes, it is all speculation without valid merit.

[billvon 3,118]

>Good point...some of them proved themselves wrong, too.

A little something for you this morning (below).

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Why don't you find this through your own sources first? Then you know it is credible.

Oh, I'm sorry, but where I got my meager (EDIT: 6th grade) education, I was taught then when I quoted a source, I should cite the source. Perhaps I was being a bit overbearing in expecting the same from you.

[rushmc 23]

Hey, you seem to discount my sources so why should I evern bother

When I have given them before you (and others) go after the source, but that is a typicla liberal tactic that dosen't bother me any more.

Oh, and you don't have to tell me about your education. I already know you think you are smarter than conservatives.............

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

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Explain how that is not deliberate deception (aka "lie").

Imagine someone you liked saying those things -- that might help you grasp the concept of "miscalculation".

All people with responsibilities, including presidents, make miscalculations. Whether Bush has lied or made miscalculations (on any given subject) remains to be seen.

Maybe I should use that line with my bank:

Bank: "What are you going to do about your finances?"

Me: "I shall have a short lived, small overdraft but then I'll be back in the black"

Bank:"Well, OK".

Then I quit my job and go on a spending spree.

Bank: "Hey, your overdraft has reached record levels and shows no sign of going away".

Me: "Sorry, just a miscalculation".

Yes, I bet they will believe it.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SudsyFist 0]

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Hey, you seem to discount my sources so why should I evern bother

When have I discounted your sources? I don't even know who they are.

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When I have given them before you (and others) go after the source, but that is a typicla liberal tactic that dosen't bother me any more.

I don't remember having done so, myself, but it's hardly a liberal, conservative, or sadomasochistic tactic.

If you're engaged in any sort of debate, and you bring up information to support your position, your source needs to be credible. If it isn't, then it's not going to be taken seriously.

Would you accuse John Rich of employing liberal tactics if he scoffed at someone's using editorial quotes from a viciously anti-gun web site in support of their arguments in his threads? (Disclaimer: John, I'm not picking on you.)

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Oh, and you don't have to tell me about your education. I already know you think you are smarter than conservatives.............

I was talking about 6th grade, dude. And I think you're mistaken about what I think; it's ludicrous to consider that one's self is smarter than an entire group of anonymous people.

Why are you attacking me, anyway?

Oh, and I don't play that liberal/conservative game. I don't watch football, either.

EDIT: Spelling.