President Bush Fires Back Against Critics

[Gawain 0]

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What does that have to do with his claim that unemployment is lower now than it ever was during Clinton's term?

When did he say that? I saw this:

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And, after Katrina the unemployment was expected to go up but (will wonders never cease) the actual unemployment went down

The economy is robust and growing, more people are employed than the Dems had hoped.

I can't speak for employment right now, but the economy has grown at a greater rate, by a wide margin, compared to the 1990s.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[ReBirth 0]

He said it in this thread. Then modified his statement to what you saw when I called him on it.

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the economy has grown at a greater rate, by a wide margin, compared to the 1990s.

Based on???? There are a lot of economic gauges. Some are better than the 90's, others are worse. As far as averaging year to year growth, considering how low we dropped in 2000-2001, that's not saying much. We still haven't recovered to the same levels we had pre-recession.

[Gawain 0]

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He said it in this thread. Then modified his statement to what you saw when I called him on it.

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the economy has grown at a greater rate, by a wide margin, compared to the 1990s.

Based on???? There are a lot of economic gauges. Some are better than the 90's, others are worse. As far as averaging year to year growth, considering how low we dropped in 2000-2001, that's not saying much. We still haven't recovered to the same levels we had pre-recession.

GDP growth is the measure I'm using. Your pre-recession statement, is I believe, incorrect. I've posted my sources.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[ReBirth 0]

Sorry...I was mixing apples and oranges. I was referring to the stock market pre-recession.

GDP has grown.

But...GDP has grown a total of 15.4% in the 23 quarters Bush has been in office. It grew 23.7% in the 23 quarters preceeding that while Clinton was in office.

http://www.bea.gov/bea/dn/gdplev.xls

[Gawain 0]

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Sorry...I was mixing apples and oranges. I was referring to the stock market pre-recession.

GDP has grown.

But...GDP has grown a total of 15.4% in the 23 quarters Bush has been in office. It grew 23.7% in the 23 quarters preceeding that while Clinton was in office.

http://www.bea.gov/bea/dn/gdplev.xls

Seeing as how President Bush hasn't been in office for 23 quarters, I'll suggest you're reading that report incorrectly.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[ReBirth 0]

My bad...went back to 2000.

Ok, so in the 19 quarters he's been in office, the GDP has grown a total of 13.3%.

In the 19 prior quarters under Clinton...it grew 19.1%.

Or, if you think that's an unfair comparison, we'll go with Clinton's first 19 quarters. Then it's 17.6%. Any way you slice it, the numbers are still better during Clinton's term.

[Gawain 0]

Okay, let's make sure we're comparing the same data:

Clinton's budget went into effect end of calendar 1993 (FY1994)

1993q1: $6.9110Tr
2000q4: $9.9536Tr

Bush's budget went into effect end of calendar 2001:

2001q1: $10.0215Tr
2005q3: $12.5896Tr

Based on this, I'm seeing about 25% growth in GDP under President Bush, in five years, versus 30% under President Clinton, in 8 years.

I think the current economy will outpace Clinton's by 2008. Also to consider, the content of that economy. I don't have all the data, but I think that the US has retained more manufacturing jobs in the past 5 years. The dot.com bubble that killed us in 2000 was partially due to that the US wasn't really "making" anything.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[jenfly00 0]

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Proven?

BBBwwwwwhhhhaaaaaaaa

You guys are a hoot

Your flury of responses seem to be getting weaker and weaker in substance. In all honesty, perhaps it's just me as I am no where near your data point on the freedom-oppression graph.

I'd be interested if others shared my assessment, but they made a special rule here that prevents a simple poll of what I consider to be a reasonable question, but I'm thinking you are a short step away from "I know you are, but what am I?".

No matter how ardently you wish to support your government, there comes a time (now?) when you have to admit your support is unwarranted.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[shropshire 0]

GDP is one measure, but another is National debt... here's some figures... pick your years/president...

11/10/2005 $8,050,739,770,455.58
11/09/2005 $8,034,610,660,541.64
11/08/2005 $8,036,664,225,238.54
11/07/2005 $8,031,589,402,361.42
11/04/2005 $8,028,449,101,487.38
11/03/2005 $8,028,204,675,510.52
11/02/2005 $8,021,480,952,298.81
11/01/2005 $8,015,272,000,177.94
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[billvon 3,114]

>pick your years/president...

Well, OK, that might make GWB look bad. But suppose those numbers are in base-36? Then it doesn't look bad at all! And if you compare the pirate/deficit ratio over the past 10 years, things have gotten MUCH better under GWB.

But I guess liberals don't like those kinds of facts.

[ReBirth 0]

Ok...I started 1st quarter of 2001. We'll use your dates (even though I'm hard pressed to figure what the federal budget has to do with GDP) .

9.9536 is 144% of 6.9110. That's a 44% increase under Clinton.

12.5896 is 127% of 10.0215. That's a 27% increase under Bush.

So yes...quarter by quarter, GDP has grown slightly faster under Bush than Clinton. What happens to those numbers though when you discount military spending? Or include the deficit, debt, or devalued dollars?

edit to remove incomplete thought.

[rasmack 0]

Has the numbers been vorrected for inflation? If not, they are not really comparable from year to year.

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[ReBirth 0]

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if you compare the pirate/deficit ratio over the past 10 years, things have gotten MUCH better under GWB.

Actually, pirate attacks are UP under Bush
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=1300344

[AlexCrowley 0]

It's quite simple.

If Bush was caught raping a duck while stabbing a nun to death the people who like Bush would say it's him doing his job and that the nuns were way worse and very evil and had actually asked to be stabbed so Bush is a good guy while protecting the environment.

Those posting on this thread on the leftwise side think that Bush is already raping ducks and murdering nuns.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[shropshire 0]

Yeah right... cus inflation has been sooooo high over recent years as to make a big difference to these figures.

Anyway you cut it, the US is in a shit load of debt and still spending money like my wife in the january sales......

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(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[rasmack 0]

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Yeah right... cus inflation has been sooooo high over recent years as to make a big difference to these figures.

I'm European. I don't know shit about your inflation. I merely asked because the numbers were meaningless without that piece of information.

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[shropshire 0]

<> So am I

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[livendive 8]

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100% are due to the person who ordered them sent there.

And the congress who authorized him to do so. La-de-da.

And the people who voted for him and them. La-de-da.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[Gawain 0]

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Ok...I started 1st quarter of 2001. We'll use your dates (even though I'm hard pressed to figure what the federal budget has to do with GDP) .

I based that on fiscal years, thus fiscal policies, etc. I don't know how a GAO analyst would look at it either.

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9.9536 is 144% of 6.9110. That's a 44% increase under Clinton.

12.5896 is 127% of 10.0215. That's a 27% increase under Bush.

So yes...quarter by quarter, GDP has grown slightly faster under Bush than Clinton. What happens to those numbers though when you discount military spending? Or include the deficit, debt, or devalued dollars?

Well, the BEA report takes care of that for us, as the numbers we were using were in "current dollars". The defense spending has been a two-way benefit with technology and other sectors.

I don't know if it should be discounted though.

Compared to the 1980s and early 1990s, the %GDP burden from military spending is down. From 1995 to 2004, it's fairly flat, to downward as well. http://www.sipri.org/contents/milap/milex/mex_wnr_table.html

On this spreadsheet, SIPRI ties North America as the US and Canada. Canada's military budget is about $10M, so the figures are primarily US sourced.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kallend 2,147]

It took 206 years for the USA to get $1Trillion in debt.

It took Ronald Reagan a mere 6 years to borrow the second $Trillion.

Things slowed down under Bush1 and Clinton.

GWB has added another $2.5 Trillion of debt in less than 5 years.

"The deficit will be small and short lived".

Fiscal conservative my a$$.

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[rushmc 23]

Proof? Sources?

Look, even Dirty Harry Reid is has said that the senant intel commitee gets (for all practicle purposes) the same breifings as the president. France, Germany, Russia, Great Britin, Itally and other (along with your bow at the alter UN) said SH had a weapons program.

Oh, I get it they all lied

Two investigations both stated (and one showed 200 interviews with intel agents) that no political pressure was put on them to revise the intell)

Do you get the DNC faxed talking pionts?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SudsyFist 0]

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Do you get the DNC faxed talking pionts?

Guilt has very quick ears to an accusation.

[rushmc 23]

there are plenty of situations right now where I do not support the current admin. The war in Iraq is not one of those.

No one should, and I don't condem anyone who disagrees with the war or how it is being handled. I do however have a huge problem with those that choose to you lies and tallking points to bear up thier arguments.

Too many fact support the GWB in his assesment. To many agent filled shell and uranium stock piles show the SH was in fact persuing a WMD. He had a a WMD program and he had to be taken out.

One day before the war Bush told SH that if he and his family would leave Iraq he would not invade.

Finally, this is your home too, if your profile is correct. and I am supposed to admit my support is unwarrented? Because that is what you think.

I got my facts.......do you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

I like how you ingone the main point of my post.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ReBirth 0]

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France, Germany, Russia, Great Britin, Itally and other (along with your bow at the alter UN) said SH had a weapons program.

Well...it doesn't much matter what any of them think does it? They didn't invade and prove htemselves wrong.