President Bush Fires Back Against Critics

[Gawain 0]

Well, I was thinking someone would have posted about this by now, but I'm not that patient...

Anyway, the President gave a speech yesterday in Pennsylvania and made some direct points in the wake of the lies coming from the left. Yes, I said, lies, as these were not partial truths. Simple attempts to cover their own asses and provide a revisionist perspective (even against their own actions) on how the war started. I'm going to provide a couple links (as one of them is Fox News and I don't want to start a flame just over that, and the other one is from the perennial left favorite, CNN) as well as some pointed quotes.

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Fox News
CNN

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"While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began."

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Some Democrats and anti-war critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war," Bush said. "They also know that intelligence agencies from around the world agreed with our assessment of Saddam Hussein.

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As our troops fight a ruthless enemy determined to destroy our way of life, they deserve to know that their elected leaders who voted to send them to war continue to stand behind them," the president said. "Our troops deserve to know that this support will remain firm when the going gets tough. And our troops deserve to know that, whatever our differences in Washington, our will is strong, our nation is united and we will settle for nothing less than victory.

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When I made the decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, Congress approved it with strong, bipartisan support.

Of course, the democrats are just doing their patriotic duty right? The 9/11 commission found no manipulation of information or intel, of course that doesn't match what Reid, Kerry, and Kennedy want to talk about, so they just start shrill about it.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Mike111 0]

About time Bush got the democrats back.

[jenfly00 0]

If nothing else, you are consistent.

In all fairness, I suspect the shrub was told it was true by the powers that run him. Not having the mental acuity to determine for himself what happened, he believes them.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[ReBirth 0]

It's the same old debate we had way back then. The congresspeople were NOT given all the data before the vote. We've discussed in other threads that classified information isn't and shouldn't be freely shared with the entire congress. They were given reports and summaries that were skewed to indicate WMD. They weren't outright lies, but it was partical truths. Just the evidence that points to WMD, but none of the evidence that refutes it.

Yes, a bipartisan congress authorized the use of force, if necessary. But they did so based on incomplete information provided to them by the white house.

[Amazon 7]

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But they did so based on incomplete information provided to them by the white house.

DUDE.. you cant expect him to think anything but what he belives is history can you.. He is delusional but I am sure he belives that his grasp on reality is the truth since god told him so.

[skycop 0]

Typical response, insults not facts................

I'm glad the president finally took his gloves off, and if you notice he is not insulting anyone.

Some on the left have nothing but insults, because THEY lack the substance.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[Gawain 0]

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Typical response, insults not facts................

I'm glad the president finally took his gloves off, and if you notice he is not insulting anyone.

Some on the left have nothing but insults, because THEY lack the substance.

He quoted Kerry directly too, without mentioning his name. It's a shame the press doesn't provide a true display of the filth coming out of Kennedy's, Polisi's, Reid's mouths. They always justify it with something else. I hope the President keeps the gloves off.

This has been the constant for nearly five years straight. No exchange on ideas, only personal attacks. This is touching every issue from court nominations to social security to tax cuts to national defense.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[skydyvr 0]

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He is delusional . . .

LOL, one step closer to getting kicked the **** out of here -- AGAIN.

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[Amazon 7]

Does bearing false witness hurt?

[ReBirth 0]

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It's a shame the press doesn't provide a true display of the filth coming out of Kennedy's, Polisi's, Reid's mouths.

Maybe because they don't reflect the majority of democrats or liberals. They may be the loudest and most abrasive, but they are not typical. Just as Pat Robertson isn't considered a spokesman for most conservatives and republicans.

And for the record...how do you know about filth coming from them, if the press isn't reporting it?

[Gawain 0]

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It's a shame the press doesn't provide a true display of the filth coming out of Kennedy's, Polisi's, Reid's mouths.

And for the record...how do you know about filth coming from them, if the press isn't reporting it?

When I refer to the press, I'm referring to "mainstream". There are several non-mainstream outlets that provide open stories without commentary. Sometimes I even go to Rush Limbaugh's site.

Also, I never said the press doesn't cover it, I said the press does not provide a true color to it. They lend credibility to these mouthpieces on the left. While I understand they are not representative of many liberals, they are the primary outlets for the liberal agenda, and they have suffered for it.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Amazon 7]

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It's a shame the press doesn't provide a true display of the filth coming out of Kennedy's, Polisi's, Reid's mouths

SO I guess our beloved Vice President's use of profanity is a good thing in your mind.
http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/posters/cheney-fuck.asp

[billvon 3,118]

Cut it out Jeanie.

[shropshire 0]

It's amazing what you can do with spin.... and yes all sides are just as bad as each other.... reminds of the saying...... How can you tell when a politician is lieing........... His/Her lips move!.


Regards,

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[billvon 3,118]

>Anyway, the President gave a speech yesterday

I saw that. Man, he's getting desperate. After the democrats managed to get the second half of the 9/11 investigation actually started, he is running scared from what they might find out. There is already some very damaging material coming out; recently it was revealed that the NIE presented to Congress was edited to remove any material that might have indicated Saddam did not have CBN weapons.

An administration official recently announced that this speech is part of a new White House strategy. It's not really new, though - he's gotten good at the "if you have no cause, attack before anyone figures it out" strategy. Then later claim it wasn't really about what you said it was.


>"it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began."

I thought that was hilarious coming from him. What reason is he up to now for going to war? Remember when it was to stop Saddam from using his WMD's on us? Then it was revised to freeing the oppressed but freedom-loving people of Iraq. When they didn't welcome us with flowers, it became "the central front in the war on terror." Which would be the third rewrite.

>they deserve to know that their elected leaders who voted to send
>them to war continue to stand behind them . . .

So he has changed "authorization for the use of force if diplomacy fails" to "declaration of war?" A bit of a contradiction; nothing a little revisionism can't fix.

>The 9/11 commission found no manipulation of information or intel . . .

As you well know, the SECOND part of the 9/11 commission, the part that's been stalled by republicans until the democrats pulled that closed-session stunt, is the part that will determine whether there was any manipulation of information or intelligence.

[rushmc 23]

Those that keep thinking that way just continue to look like fools!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

What planet are you from?? You, I would think, would be able to look back at the history and understand as well and anybody.

Do you hate that he is in power so bad that you refuse to see the truth?

If you believe he "manipulated" the intel to go to war then.............shit, I don't know what.......

You don't have to like the man or the politics but please!

It is about dam time he called the jackass what they are

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

WRONG, the intel commitee gets the same reports as the president.

and by the way. How come Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry, Reid and others believe that SH had WMD's BEFORE Bush was elected.

You lefties are getting desperate!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,118]

> What planet are you from?

Third from the sun. Sometimes slightly above the third planet from the sun, but always in the vicinity.

>Do you hate that he is in power so bad that you refuse to see the truth?

I don't hate the guy. Heck, I've never met him. He might be a nice guy; would probably make a good senator. But he's a lousy president.

>If you believe he "manipulated" the intel to go to war then.............shit,
>I don't know what.......

Well, let's see.

A CIA deputy director said the CIA had been pressured by the administration to find only reasons for war, and to ignore evidence that there were no WMD's. One analyst who refused to supress the information was fired. A budget analyst that said the war could cost as much as $60 billion was asked to resign, because that would make it seem really expensive. (We're at about $200 billion now.)

The CIA informed the administration that they could not find ties between Al Qaeda and 9/11. Yet the president used the 9/11 attacks as justification to attack Iraq.

Bush used the Niger uranium claim in his speech to scare people into fearing a nuclear-capable Iraq, a claim known to be false.

It doesn't take a whole lot of analysis to realize that Bush really, really wanted that war; it was a clear goal of the PNAC, a goal which he shared. He then presented evidence very selectively to make his case for war. He supressed information that indicated that Iraq had no WMD's and was not much of a threat, and emphasized stories of massive chemical weapons stores from known liars. Heck, one of his biggest sources was a then-secret source known as 'curveball' because of his tendency to make shit up and change his story later.

In other words, the statement "intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised" was about as wrong as it gets. But statements like that got him what he wanted; his war.

>It is about dam time he called the jackass what they are . . .

What a nice use of a day that is intended to honor the men and women of the US who have honorably served their country. To make political attacks and call people jackasses. Now there's class.

[billvon 3,118]

>WRONG, the intel commitee gets the same reports as the president.

You really think Congress has access to the Presidential Daily Briefing, the primary conduit into the Oval Office for intelligence conclusions?

[SudsyFist 0]

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WRONG, the intel commitee gets the same reports as the president.

HUH???

[shropshire 0]

Yeah good point... dont they GIVE the report to the Prez?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Mike111 0]

but don't you also think that ALL of us in this forum are probably don't even know what we are talking about in some cases - we think we do. but for example none of us are directly linked to him and have to rely on biased media sources for information.

So maybe it is slightly hard to tell sometimes?

[jenfly00 0]

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Those that keep thinking that way just continue to look like fools!!!

Looking like a fool is a small price to pay to save our country from the new patriots who are traitors to what they profess to believe in, America.

Reminds me of previous 'patriots'. This was a line from KKK flyers distributed in the 1920's:

"No Law Abiding Citizen Need Fear This 100-Percent American Organization"

You know, in that era, those who waved the flag and called themselves patriots were hanging Blacks from trees and forming organizations based on intimidation, hatred and fear. Seems like the more things change, the more thay stay the same, don't it? Amazingly, this did little to tarnish their image. It was the exposure of fraud, crime the raping to death of a young woman by “Grand Dragon” D.C. Stephenson that resulted in their loss of credibility.

That was when we had a president who fought the hate based organizations. Now we have one who supports and encourages them ...and you are proud of that?!?!?! Opposing these people makes looking like a fool a badge of honor.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[shropshire 0]

what a cracking post - Nice one.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome