skydyvr 0 #26 November 12, 2005 QuoteI have no problem with people who have warped beliefs. I have a problem when they try to impose them on others. Sure you do -- but I'll bet you have no "problem" with the the extreme minority of atheists in this country who work daily to impose their will on the rest of us, right? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #27 November 12, 2005 Well, you have to admit....many people only turn to God when they are in an airplane that uis about to crash. If it lands safely, they walk away telling God " thanks, and I'll let you know the next time I need your help, until then, don't bother me" They use God like a spare tire on a car..... Sorry folks, that is NOT how it works. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #28 November 12, 2005 QuoteWell, you have to admit....many people only turn to God when they are in an airplane that uis about to crash. If it lands safely, they walk away telling God " thanks, and I'll let you know the next time I need your help, until then, don't bother me" They use God like a spare tire on a car..... Sorry folks, that is NOT how it works. Bill Cole I suspect most people are unwilling to turn over to their lives to psychosis and have conversations with mythical beings on a daily basis. They save the delusional behavior for really special occasions. Kind of like using the good china. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #29 November 12, 2005 I think you're right. What I think Pat Robertson misses, though, is that keeping religious teachings out of public schools does not equate with not believing in God or with "turning away" from God. If we're going to teach creationism in schools, then we should teach the theory that Grandmother Spider created the universe and whatever other beliefs people hold as how the universe was formed. Suggesting Pat Robertson should burn in hell for his sentiment though??? I don't get it.... WWFSMD? linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 November 12, 2005 Wow.... were you born to that skill in condescension, or do you have to practice it in front of a mirror?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #31 November 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteWell, you have to admit....many people only turn to God when they are in an airplane that uis about to crash. If it lands safely, they walk away telling God " thanks, and I'll let you know the next time I need your help, until then, don't bother me" They use God like a spare tire on a car..... Sorry folks, that is NOT how it works. Bill Cole I suspect most people are unwilling to turn over to their lives to psychosis and have conversations with mythical beings on a daily basis. They save the delusional behavior for really special occasions. Kind of like using the good china. ilii -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #32 November 12, 2005 QuoteWow.... were you born to that skill in condescension, or do you have to practice it in front of a mirror? I pray to god, every day, for forgiveness. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #33 November 12, 2005 QuoteIntolerance on the part of people like Pat is what I am intolerant of. I have no problem with people who have warped beliefs. I have a problem when they try to impose them on others. It's my fundamental problem with the religious right. The shit that comes out of this man's mouth is beyond absurd, and that he has an open-door policy at the Whte House is disturbing. But I don't literally wish death upon him. I think ryoder's view of him is a healthier one -- Pat is really a comic parody of himself. Sad thing is though, he has some real influence. Interesting he can call for a similar solution to the elected president of another country. I think everyone should have to listen to the 700 club for a good founding in what the NEW RePUBICan party is all about. Its certainly not the party of a couple of presidents I once voted for. No wonder they are so worried about the Islamic fundamentalists... or the Taliban. No matter how bad they are our country is on the same path, just with a different credo. ANYONE who has a different world view from them is evil and has to be punished. What this group in power seems to forget if we piss off the entire world eventually the world will tire of it. Just like the town bully eventually gets theri come uppance.... we are forcing the world to take a very hard look at what we are becoming.. and it scares them. Personally I dont think having the whole world against us is a good thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #34 November 12, 2005 So.... If the "New Repubicans" are all 700 club members since the current President is a devout Christian, I guess that means the New Democrats are all perjurers, draft dodgers, traitors and adulterers, based on the Clinton regime's actions?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 November 12, 2005 I am SURE that is what many of you believe. There is no longer any room for moderates who can vote for the person rather than the party. You show us a view of what this country is becoming. So you dont mind living under a Kabalistic Theocracy...I do. Oh by the way.. Bush is NOT a devout Christian.. all you had to do wa watch him in church with Cheney after the Election at the National Prayer service. When MOST in the congregation were lifing up thier voices to god.. he was joking around with Cheney... IN other words they scammed you ... and most of you are too friggin stupid to actually see it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #36 November 12, 2005 QuoteSo.... If the "New Repubicans" are all 700 club members since the current President is a devout Christian, ... You really have to understand that outside of Texas this is generally regarded as fuckin nuts.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #37 November 12, 2005 easy there killer... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #38 November 12, 2005 QuoteI think everyone should have to listen to the 700 club for a good founding in what the NEW RePUBICan party is all about. Note the ongoing intermingling of sex, religion, and politics all in the same sentence. Fascinating. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #39 November 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think everyone should have to listen to the 700 club for a good founding in what the NEW RePUBICan party is all about. Note the ongoing intermingling of sex, religion, and politics all in the same sentence. Fascinating. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 November 12, 2005 QuoteNote the ongoing intermingling of sex, religion, and politics all in the same sentence. Fascinating. Like I said listen to the 700 Club.. its their mainstay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #41 November 12, 2005 QuoteI'm not calling for someone to literally shoot him in the head. No, you're just wishing he burn in hell. As Speedracer said, Pat Robertson is an example of a Christian extremist. Please don't think all Christians are like him. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #42 November 12, 2005 QuoteI suspect most people are unwilling to turn over to their lives to psychosis and have conversations with mythical beings on a daily basis. They save the delusional behavior for really special occasions. Kind of like using the good china. Well, see. I don't quite know what to say about your on-going hatred of any religious comment. I just don't get it. Any way you can clarify things for me? I mean, I'm not religious, but my brother is. And he is one of the most tolerant, patient, kind men I know. Same goes for someone else on these boards that you tend to mix it up with. Neither of them - although praying daily, and practicing their spiritual beliefs and walking the walk - are psychotic. I wonder why you think it's appropriate to label people as mentally ill who don't believe the same thing as you do? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #43 November 13, 2005 QuoteI mean, I'm not religious, You, my friend are a lot more religious than you realize. Well, maybe spiritual is the word. At the very least, you're the real deal. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #44 November 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteI suspect most people are unwilling to turn over to their lives to psychosis and have conversations with mythical beings on a daily basis. They save the delusional behavior for really special occasions. Kind of like using the good china. Well, see. I don't quite know what to say about your on-going hatred of any religious comment. I just don't get it. Any way you can clarify things for me? I mean, I'm not religious, but my brother is. And he is one of the most tolerant, patient, kind men I know. Same goes for someone else on these boards that you tend to mix it up with. Neither of them - although praying daily, and practicing their spiritual beliefs and walking the walk - are psychotic. I wonder why you think it's appropriate to label people as mentally ill who don't believe the same thing as you do? Ciels- Michele You characterise my feelings as hate. Not true. If people believe that Jesus Christ is their lord and savior, or that they have personal, intimate conversations with the almighty, that is their choice. I'm not going to pretend this is not nuts, however. It delusional behavior smiled upon my most of society (in this country). Essentially harmless (as individuals) and I wish them well. I heard a conversation around the bonfire a few years ago where a crusty old skydiver was taken to task for his 'intolerance' of religion. He used an analogy that it was like someone who bought (rented?) hookers every night. Fine and dandy but don't expect him to listen respectfully as they talk about 'true love'. If people choose to be delusional (and, as I understand it, delusional beliefs are, by definition, psychotic) and aren't fucking with me, more power and happiness to them. Just because they are nuts in this one area, doesn't mean they could not be tolerant, patient and kind in the rest of their life.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #45 November 13, 2005 QuoteYou characterise my feelings as hate. Not true. If people believe that Jesus Christ is their lord and savior, or that they have personal, intimate conversations with the almighty, that is their choice. I'm not going to pretend this is not nuts, however. It delusional behavior smiled upon my most of society (in this country). Essentially harmless (as individuals) and I wish them well. I heard a conversation around the bonfire a few years ago where a crusty old skydiver was taken to task for his 'intolerance' of religion. He used an analogy that it was like someone who bought (rented?) hookers every night. Fine and dandy but don't expect him to listen respectfully as they talk about 'true love'. If people choose to be delusional (and, as I understand it, delusional beliefs are, by definition, psychotic) and aren't fucking with me, more power and happiness to them. Just because they are nuts in this one area, doesn't mean they could not be tolerant, patient and kind in the rest of their life. O.K., but why the hate? Why do you detest religion and spirituality so much? If someone you know has a deeply spiritual side, are they "psychotic" to you? And I'd also suggest you don't know the real meaning of the word psychotic. Spiritual and religious people are not psychotic, per se... Your own intolerance of religious people is rather offensive to me (although I'm not religious). It's the intolerance which bothers me, the willingness to believe that all people who believe in God in times of trouble don't believe during times of peace; that people who buy hookers will then get on their knees in church and think that they are not bad people (and there's a whole other discussion about sex and sex-for-sale et cetera...but it's not for this thread). My brother is not psychotic, nor is he nuts. His beliefs affect me, as his sister. His childrens' belief affect me as their auntie. He is in no way nuts, nor even close to it. Same with the other religious folks I know; their behavior impacts my life (and not to the worse, thank you), and there is one particular family I know of who show me more and more that love and familial relationships are not wasted efforts, and not in vain (that's in addition to my brother's family). So...again, I ask: what is your issue (and yes, I characterize it as hateful and intolerant) with religious people? Does that include those of a spiritual bent, too? And do you know the difference? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #46 November 13, 2005 Michele, I'm glad you love your brother and his family. Live and be happy. jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #47 November 13, 2005 In my experience there are psychotic people who are a helluva lot more fun to be around than those really uptight, rigid people who think they have it all figured out.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #48 November 13, 2005 what "proof," other than personal opinion, do you have that anyone w/ religious belief is crazy? delusional? psychotic? your catagorical disdain for anyone religious or spiritual is pitiful at best. Edited to add... your last deflection of michele's posts to you was piss-poor. it seems to me you have no cards to play in this conversation other than rash accusations that only serve to show your ass. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #49 November 13, 2005 QuoteIn my experience there are psychotic people who are a helluva lot more fun to be around than those really uptight, rigid people who think they have it all figured out.... linz If you are referring to me, I got nothing figured out. I have no answers at all. I just refuse to make shit up and worship my creation and am tolerant of every religious person's beliefs ...as long as they keep them to themselves. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #50 November 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteIn my experience there are psychotic people who are a helluva lot more fun to be around than those really uptight, rigid people who think they have it all figured out.... linz If you are referring to me, I got nothing figured out. I have no answers at all. I just refuse to make shit up and worship my creation and am tolerant of every religious person's beliefs ...as long as they keep them to themselves. you? tolerant? LOL!!! thanks for the laugh babe. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
