CA Election Results

[TheAnvil 0]

Disgusting that all four of Schwarzenneger's ballot initiatives failed. The new handgun ban in SF is even dumber. Let's see what happens to their crime rate as this inanity goes into effect.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[rasmack 0]

We don't all live in CA. What were the initiatives?

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[ReBirth 0]

Republican implosion has begun. They lost governorships in NJ and VA.

8 of the 9 School Board members in Dover PA that were pushing Intelligent Design have been removed by the voters.

The GOP has swung the pendulum so far to the right, I hope it doesn't swing back too far the other way but rather ends up somewhere back in the middle again.

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The GOP has swung the pendulum so far to the right, I hope it doesn't swing back too far the other way but rather ends up somewhere back in the middle again.

Yes, back to the Clinton's years...

[wmw999 2,589]

Clinton himself was kind of centrist. So many people are so hung up on power and being as being right, rather than on what's best overall, that it's going to take a few people who are really willing to step up to the task to have a return to bipartisan working together.

McCain is often willing to work at it. Occasionally others are, but consistently? Too damn few.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[TheAnvil 0]

Perhaps the fact that the democratic victors in the gubenatorial elections in VA and NJ are replacing democrats wasn't in the news reports you read.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[GTAVercetti 0]

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Perhaps the fact that the democratic victors in the gubenatorial elections in VA and NJ are replacing democrats wasn't in the news reports you read.

Yeah, oopsy!

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[1969912 0]

What's the deal with the handgun ban in SF? As I prepare to move back to CA, I'm starting to realize that nearly ALL of my guns are illegal there. Bummer.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[rehmwa 2]

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Republican implosion has begun. They lost governorships in NJ and VA.

What's even funnier, is when local governments vote in Johnny Jones for mayor of Podunk City and then the newspapers claim it's an indication of how people feel about national level politicians (despite the fact that Johnny Jones knows everybody in the 100 person town and a week before the election save Old Widow Smith's cat from a tree - and the last mayor retired and happened to be John Jones Sr.)

Any port in a storm.

So now we have two parties imploding - Yay, it's a great world. Maybe the political swings we'll be seeing in various countries around the world (including ours) could really mess up the entire future of the race. Which is, apparently, what quite a few want.

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[GTAVercetti 0]

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Republican implosion has begun. They lost governorships in NJ and VA.

So now we have two parties imploding - Yay, it's a great world. Maybe the political swings we'll be seeing in various countries around the world (including ours) could really mess up the entire future of the race. Which is, apparently, what quite a few want.

Or maybe the implosion of the two dominant political ideologies will allow other ideas to come to the forefront.

But apparently, you want to believe those who dislike either party also want the world to die.

Or maybe, you shouldn't assume. And neither should I.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[billvon 3,120]

>is when local governments vote in Johnny Jones for mayor of
>Podunk City and then the newspapers claim it's an indication of how
> people feel about national level politicians . . .

For the most part I agree, although the Kilgore defeat does seem to indicate that strong presidential support of a campaign doesn't have the impact it once did.

>Maybe the political swings we'll be seeing in various countries around
> the world (including ours) could really mess up the entire future of
> the race. Which is, apparently, what quite a few want.

Or it could result in people paying more attention to running the country, instead of how their pet party is doing. Which would be a good thing for the US.

[rehmwa 2]

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Or maybe the implosion of the two dominant parties will allow other ideas to come to the forefront.

But apparently, you want to believe those who dislike either party also want the world to die.

I like your read on it. Much less cynical. I'm making popcorn (with a lot of butter and some seasoned salt, maybe a good red or amber beer - very cold- on the table too) and sitting back to see what happens.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[headoverheels 334]

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Disgusting that all four of Schwarzenneger's ballot initiatives failed.

No, it is mostly good. I voted for only one of the four, but that wasn't exactly a hot button issue for me anyway.

What is disgusting is that Schwarzenneger forced a special election costing the state over $50 million (and various sides 4x that or more). There was not one urgent issue in the eight statewide initiatives.

Schwarzenneger was really "funny" giving his concession speech last night, talking about how he is now going to work with the Democrats. That came up right after he was elected, and he said "nobody wants to talk to a bunch of losers." He got handed his hat last night, and is changing his tune.

As for the handgun law, I'm not in favor of handguns, but I don't see the law having any significant effect. It will just piss off people that already have them.


Here are the CA initiatives: http://smartvoter.org/2005/11/08/ca/state/prop/

Schwarzenneger's are 74, 75, 76, 77.

[ReBirth 0]

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Perhaps the fact that the democratic victors in the gubenatorial elections in VA and NJ are replacing democrats wasn't in the news reports you read.

Well..the democrat replaced in NJ, was himself the temp governor after the gay-pay-to-play scandal in NJ.

Not to mention that Forrsters campaign hinged on getting Corzine's ex-wife to say in a commercial "John Corzine let his family down, he'll let NJ down, too." Typical sleazy politics.

And VA is predominantly conservative and republican, but still elected a democratic governor.

[rehmwa 2]

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Or it could result in people paying more attention to running the country, instead of how their pet party is doing.

I hope so, I'd love to see a simultaneous overhaul of both parties. One at a time doesn't seem to stick - they keep reverting back to old form.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,120]

>Disgusting that all four of Schwarzenneger's ballot initiatives failed.

I don't think so, although I'm sorry 80 failed.

For the other guy who was asking, the propositions were:

73 - Requires teenager's parents to be notified before an abortion.

74 - Requires more years of service before CA teachers get tenure.

75 - Prohibits unions from political lobbying with union dues unless they get a yearly signed permission statement from the people in their union.

76 - Allows governor to cut school spending without going through legislature. Limits school spending based on a formula.

77 - Gives all redistricting power (redrawing district maps) to three retired judges on a panel.

78 - Prescription drug discount plan, involving voluntary participation by drug companies. (Sponsored by said drug companies.)

79 - Prescription drug discount plan, involving the state effectively functioning as a middleman in drug purchases for Medi-Cal.

80 - Electric service provider rule changes; renewable energy content requirement changes.


>The new handgun ban in SF is even dumber.

Agreed there. Per several commentators, it will likely be overturned pretty quickly.

[Trent 0]

If the issues are as simple as stated on the voting site, the fact that some of these didn't pass is retarded. But then, Cali likes to be the most contrarian place on earth I think.

73 - Requires teenager's parents to be notified before an abortion.
- What's the problem with this? Or is it going to be against the law to educate your kids on sex AND have a right to know what your dependents are doing when their health is at risk?

74 - Requires more years of service before CA teachers get tenure.
- It'd be nice if the rest of the world worked in places that COULDN'T fire them after 2 years. I guess asking schools to live in the "real world" is too much.

75 - Prohibits unions from political lobbying with union dues unless they get a yearly signed permission statement from the people in their union.
Unions are membership organizations, what is the problem with ensuring that the membership is okay with the organization donating money to political figures? Seems like a no brainer there, but hey... CA.

Oh, hello again!

[SudsyFist 0]

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but hey... CA

It has little to do with the state and more to do with campaign effectiveness. Whether CA or TX, the vast majority of the population go, "Baaaaaaaaa."

Your neighbors just happen to do it with a twang.

[Trent 0]

Well, TX just voted FOR prop 2, banning gay marriage through constitutional amendment. I heard WAY more anti-prop2 campaigning than pro. Maybe I didn't listen enough. Sounds like it just wasn't meant to be.

So you're saying that some of those amendments in CA were voted down because of no real logic... just mob mentality?

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Your neighbors just happen to do it with a twang.

And you neighbors do it with each other, smoking a joint and waving peace signs!

Oh, hello again!

[ReBirth 0]

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73 - Requires teenager's parents to be notified before an abortion.
- What's the problem with this? Or is it going to be against the law to educate your kids on sex AND have a right to know what your dependents are doing when their health is at risk?

Because back when they used to be required to, many teenage girls would do it themselves with a coat hanger and die...or just plain commit suicide, rather than tell their parents.

[wmw999 2,589]

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I heard WAY more anti-prop2 campaigning than pro. Maybe I didn't listen enough. Sounds like it just wasn't meant to be.

Do you go to church? I had phone calls from 3 entities wanting me to vote for it, and one wanting me to vote against it. And my impression is that I saw a huge acceptance that OF COURSE it was the only reasonable thing to do.

BTW, I think it's a damn stupid thing to put into a constitution.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SudsyFist 0]

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Well, TX just voted FOR prop 2, banning gay marriage through constitutional amendment. I heard WAY more anti-prop2 campaigning than pro. Maybe I didn't listen enough.

You go to church? Perhaps other venues where the pro-prop2 was more prevalent? (I figure the dropzone isn't quite such a place...)

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So you're saying that some of those amendments in CA were voted down because of no real logic... just mob mentality?

I'd say most, in my opinion.

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And you neighbors do it with each other, smoking a joint and waving peace signs!

HEY! That's just Berkeley! Here in SD they just do it wearing their designer labels, driving their Mercedes and BMW's (Lexus is sooooo Walmart out here), and binging-and-purging on fine Italian eats...

[headoverheels 334]

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73 - Requires teenager's parents to be notified before an abortion.
- What's the problem with this?

The problem was wording to be inserted into the state constitution, defining abortion. Wording "cause the death of the unborn child, a child conceived but not yet born." caused concern for any right-to-choose advocates. It was a case of right-to-lifers trying to make broad changes, not about parental rights. Without this wording, the initiative would have easily passed.

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74 - Requires more years of service before CA teachers get tenure.
- It'd be nice if the rest of the world worked in places that COULDN'T fire them after 2 years. I guess asking schools to live in the "real world" is too much.

I'm sure there is more to it than I understand, but I don't have a "permanent job" even after 28 years, and don't see that they need that before 5 years. This is the only one I voted for.

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75 - Prohibits unions from political lobbying with union dues unless they get a yearly signed permission statement from the people in their union.
Unions are membership organizations, what is the problem with ensuring that the membership is okay with the organization donating money to political figures? Seems like a no brainer there, but hey... CA.

Then let them vote within their union. This is just an attempt by the governor to weaken public unions. It is not initiated by union members.

[SudsyFist 0]

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Do you go to church?

Jinx.

[billvon 3,120]

> What's the problem with this? Or is it going to be against the law to
>educate your kids on sex AND have a right to know what your dependents
>are doing when their health is at risk?

No! Parents SHOULD get involved with such decisions. The government should NOT be involved. Parenting is up to parents, not the government.

> I guess asking schools to live in the "real world" is too much.

Nobody lives in 'the real world' other than wild animals. We live in an artificial world we create. Right now teachers get tenure, and IMO teachers are one of the most important professions out there. They are worth special consideration.

>Unions are membership organizations, what is the problem with ensuring
> that the membership is okay with the organization donating money to
> political figures?

None at all! If you prefer that, join a union that does that. Why would you want the government to make decisions like that for you?