school sex surveys for 7 year olds

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CNSNews.com) - A new ruling from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals is prompting cries of judicial activism.

On Wednesday the court dismissed a lawsuit brought by California parents who were outraged over a sex survey given to public school students in the first, third and fifth grades.

Among other things, the survey administered by the Palmdale School District asked children if they ever thought about having sex or touching other people's "private parts" and whether they could "stop thinking about having sex."

The parents argued that they -- not the public schools -- have the sole right "to control the upbringing of their children by introducing them to matters of and relating to sex."

But on Wednesday, a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit dismissed the case, saying, "There is no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children...Parents have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students."

Judge Stephen Reinhardt, writing for the panel, said "no such specific right can be found in the deep roots of the nation's history and tradition or implied in the concept of ordered liberty."


'Abhorrent'

"Anyone who wonders why pro-family organizations like ours have been so concerned about activist courts only has to look at this case," said a spokesman for Focus on the Family.

Carrie Gordon Earll, an issues analyst with Focus on the Family Action, called the ruling "one of the most abhorrent examples of judicial tyranny in American history.

"The 9th Circuit did more than rule against parents who were upset that their elementary-school-aged children were being asked explicit questions about sex in class. They told all parents they have no right to protest what public schools tell their children."

Earll said the court essentially declared parenthood unconstitutional.

"It's long been the liberal view that it takes a village to raise a child -- but never before have the 'villagers' been elevated, as a matter of law, above mothers and fathers.

"Every parent in America should shudder at this decision -- liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican," Earll said.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is the same court that struck down the Pledge of Allegiance in 2002 because of the phrase "under God."

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This is a outrage.

[SudsyFist 0]

The editorial you've posted reeks of poo. Badly. And I had Thai today, even.

But I voted "Not OK." Legal? Sure. Appropriate? Aw, hell no. If all details to this point are corroborated, the parties responsible for this blunder should be sacked without question.

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"Anyone who wonders why pro-family organizations like ours have been so concerned about activist courts only has to look at this case," said a spokesman for Focus on the Family.

I'm curious. What new right does this person think the court found that was not there before?

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the parties responsible for this blunder should be sacked without question.

well the school board backed down after the law suit was filed. I do agree anyone involved should be sacked or voted out, yesterday.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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On Wednesday the court dismissed a lawsuit brought by California parents who were outraged over a sex survey given to public school students in the first, third and fifth grades.

It wasn't a sex survey, this editorial is flawed from the beginning.

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On Wednesday the court dismissed a lawsuit brought by California parents who were outraged over a sex survey given to public school students in the first, third and fifth grades.

It wasn't a sex survey, this editorial is flawed from the beginning.

I am sure what he really meant was

"Survey on conditions (including sexual abuse) with negative impact on learning ability"

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

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I'd like to hear from the "other side"- what was behind the survey, what they were hoping to learn from it. The specific questions that were quoted seem really inappropriate AND unlikely to encourage an honest answer. If I were a parent and that happened at my kid's school, I would be pissed and I'd want to do something about it.

To complain to the school board about that specific survey is one thing. But to go to courts to protest ALL sex education in public schools (which is what this group of parents appears to have done) is something else entirely and as such, I feel the court ruling was correct.

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It wasn't a sex survey, this editorial is flawed from the beginning.

what part of this is not....

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) touching my private parts to much
2) think about having sex
3) think about touching others private parts
4)think about sex, when i don't want to
5)washing myself because i feel dirty on the inside
6)not trusting people because they might want to have sex
7)Getting scared or upset when i think about sex
8)having sex feelings in my body
9)Can't stop thinking about sex
10)getting upset when people talk about sex

ok it's about little red wagons?

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Among other things, the survey administered by the Palmdale School District asked children if they ever thought about having sex or touching other people's "private parts" and whether they could "stop thinking about having sex."

Well if they weren't before, they probably are now...

You know, when these types of questions are asked of kids in a Chat Room, the school district leaders are outraged....and so are parents.
(no, I do not...)

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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) touching my private parts to much
2) think about having sex
3) think about touching others private parts
4)think about sex, when i don't want to
5)washing myself because i feel dirty on the inside
6)not trusting people because they might want to have sex
7)Getting scared or upset when i think about sex
8)having sex feelings in my body
9)Can't stop thinking about sex
10)getting upset when people talk about sex

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ok it's about little red wagons?

Some question having a sexual tone does not make it a sex survey. The second part of the survey alone had well over 20 questions. The main concept behind the survey had nothing to do with sex. It plain and simple was not a sex survey.

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here is a link for ya

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/9th/0356499p.pdf

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It wasn't a sex survey, this editorial is flawed from the beginning.

what part of this is not....

How about the remaining 69 questions? Your consecutive numbering of the questions misrepresent the facts.

FYI there were also questions about suicide...

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[tigra 0]

Thanks! I have a better idea what they were *hoping* to accomplish but I still can't help but wonder "WTF were they thinking?" Sounds like something some first year psych student would come up with only to have it rejected by her professors. Not only that, it was improperly presented to the parents.

As much as I disagree with the survey on so many levels- inappropriate and poorly designed- I still feel the court ruling was essentially correct. Its really two separate issues.

[Darius11 12]

I voted not ok.


At the age of 7 I still enjoyed playing with my stuffed pink panther. I wouldn't even know what the questions meant. It is getting way out of hand no wonder why we have so many fucked up kids.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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No, I don't think it's ok, but I also don't think that it's the place of the courts to make a determination. The parents should take it up with the school board.

This quote in particular is bogus: "The 9th Circuit did more than rule against parents who were upset that their elementary-school-aged children were being asked explicit questions about sex in class. They told all parents they have no right to protest what public schools tell their children."

Bull shit. They have plenty of right to protest and to remove the school board members by whatever meanst at their disposal. They don't have the right to use the courts to push their political agenda. That's called judicial activism, something I've seen you complain about.

[SudsyFist 0]

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This quote in particular is bogus: "The 9th Circuit did more than rule against parents who were upset that their elementary-school-aged children were being asked explicit questions about sex in class. They told all parents they have no right to protest what public schools tell their children."

Bull shit. They have plenty of right to protest and to remove the school board members by whatever meanst at their disposal. They don't have the right to use the courts to push their political agenda. That's called judicial activism, something I've seen you complain about.

Ahem... credit?

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I can't believe I indepently came up with the same thought as a guy named sudsyfist.

I need to go home now.

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I can't believe I indepently came up with the same thought as a guy named sudsyfist.

I need to go home now.

maybe you were twins separated at birth?

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Your consecutive numbering of the questions misrepresent the facts.

no I was at work and wanted to make sure I had all the sex questions included. I have problem with the whole survey and the way it was ran. People should lose jobs over stuff like this. I am sure the NEA would back them to the hilt, it's sad.

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maybe you were twins separated at birth?

Corsican, baby.

Hey, ReBirth, feel this, you fuck! *titty-twist*

[ReBirth 0]

Ow ow ow....purple nerple!!!

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I voted not ok.


At the age of 7 I still enjoyed playing with my stuffed pink panther. I wouldn't even know what the questions meant. It is getting way out of hand no wonder why we have so many fucked up kids.

I wonder what i would have done of My 7 year old told me what she did in school today, and it was that. I might have had to spend the next day in jail.

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I wonder what i would have done of My 7 year old told me what she did in school today, and it was that. I might have had to spend the next day in jail.

Thank you for illustrating one of the most fucked up aspects of our society today.

Sex = bad
Violence = good

Carry on.

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Thank you for illustrating one of the most fucked up aspects of our society today.

Sex = bad
Violence = good

Carry on.

Exactly, having your kids watch a sport where athletes hate each other so much they literally want to hit them so hard it ruins their careers....good

Seeing a boobie...wrong

(just to complete the thread drift )

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I voted not ok.


At the age of 7 I still enjoyed playing with my stuffed pink panther. I wouldn't even know what the questions meant. It is getting way out of hand no wonder why we have so many fucked up kids.

7 year olds know more about sex than most parents think they do... the kids just don't bring that kind of thing up with parents because even young they know that discussing it is taboo.

A lot of my neighbor kids visit our house. And it blows my mind the things they like to 'educate' me about sex, even from very young ages. Unless kids are locked in caves, there's no way to avoid it. Parents can either educate their kids how to handle sex topics responsibly and not be ashamed to ask parents questions, or they can let their kids find out from sources they may not be so comfortable with. Either way, the kids are going to learn about sex.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda