Correct or Incorrect Ruling In Your Opinion

[ExAFO 0]

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...Babies coming from sexual relations is only a theory, after all.

And a fun theory to conduct first-hand trials/experiments on at that...

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[rushmc 23]

I a way you supported my thoughts about schools.

They have been (allowed) to be turned into baby sitters and social behavior teachers. (who decides which behavior is right or wrong and by what messurment is that made? beside the obvious)

IMHO they should be teaching the basics and they rest is up to the family.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,108]

>I think atheism is a religion . . .

Ah! So you think that atheists should have the right to not have their children taught things that contradict the 'teachings' of atheism?

Hmm. Most European history from about 100AD to 1700AD - can't teach that; they were mostly religious wars! Can't teach the Declaration of Independence, with its "endowed by their Creator" thing. Can't teach the revised Pledge of Allegiance, with that "Under God" thing.

You'd end up gutting most history and civics courses. Seems like a bad idea to me.

[rushmc 23]

That is not what I am saying.

If atheism is a religion then keeping faiths that believe in a god are being kept from practicing because of the atheist religion.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,108]

>That is not what I am saying.

So you think it's OK to teach things that contradict a family's religious beliefs? OK, fair enough. From the tone of your posting I mistakenly thought you were opposed to schools teaching things that families might disagree with.

>If atheism is a religion then keeping faiths that believe in a god
>are being kept from practicing because of the atheist religion.

Could you repeat that with more commas or something? That made no sense.

[GTAVercetti 0]

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I a way you supported my thoughts about schools.

They have been (allowed) to be turned into baby sitters and social behavior teachers. (who decides which behavior is right or wrong and by what messurment is that made? beside the obvious)

IMHO they should be teaching the basics and they rest is up to the family.

Teaching students about birth control and ways to prevent the spread of disease is NOT teaching social behavior. It is NOT a promotion of sex. It is a discussion on how to be safe if one so chooses to.

Lets say that there is no sex education and one family's method of such is "Do NOT have sex before marriage. " No mention of birth control because they don't believe in it.

And then what happens if the child does not listen (as often happens) and has sex? Of course, they don't know about condoms so they don't use one. The child could either get someone pregnant/get pregnant, gets a disease, or both. All because the parent did not look at EVERY conceivable outcome.

But if the school had been involved in education (and this education is such for the real world of babies and disease), then maybe they would have known.

You can raise your child as well as you can, but if you think that it CANNOT happen, you are just playing with fire.

In any case, if little johnny comes home and says that sex is fine if he uses a condom, the good parent will be strong enough to have a frank discussion of why he should wait till marriage if they so believe in that.

But at least Johnny will have gotten some knowledge if the parent turns out to be a poor one.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[rushmc 23]

I understand you points but I don't agree this is the schools job.

the three R's the rest should be the family and community.

You choose to have the government do it........I think?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ReBirth 0]

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I only asked for opinions but since you brought it up.

If your family believes in waiting until marrage. Should a school be allowed to give kids training on how to use condoms. What if that family did not believe in birth control because of thier religions. Is it right for a school to teach them about birth control? Seperation of church and state?

Yes.

Condoms and birth control are real things. They exist. Teaching about things that exist is not wrong and shouldn't change what they were taught at home. Now if the school starts saying advocating pre-marital sex with condoms, that's a different story.

[PhreeZone 20]

Are you volenteering to lead weekly seminars to your local community youth groups about sex education?

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

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[wmw999 2,584]

He chooses the government to be his backup in case he doesn't do a perfect job. If he does a good job, then the backup isn't needed.

Ignorance is rarely a good means of keeping curious kids on the right path. A better alternative path is more certain.

And if you thought my previous post agreed with you, I think you need to re-read it.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[GTAVercetti 0]

I choose to have the government make the knowledge of ALL available methods of safe birth control accessible as well as information on how sex works.

They SHOULD NOT be preaching the use of protection in such a way that would imply sex must be had but every person who may or may not have sex should be aware of what is out there. And some parents just won't do that.

It should then be the parent's job to ensure that whatever beliefs they have are instilled in the child.

That way, if a child defies the parent, they will at least have the knowledge to do so safely.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[rushmc 23]

I know what you meantI was only working from a different perspective.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,108]

>the three R's the rest should be the family and community.

Back up a minute here. Do you think that a school should teach things that conflict with someone's religion or morals? You seem to be saying two different things.

[rushmc 23]

Granted times are different, but

One could agrue that we did pretty dam good for a 100 years but, on the other hand,
We did not have TV and as permisive a society. Kids are learning much more a lot earlire.

I do understand you points and to some extent I have been playing devils advocate (but not totally)

I do believe schools are being used more and more to try indrinate the children to a specific point of view.

.....and that can be said for left and right

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

No,Sorry if I came across that way.

I think in some cases there are doing that, and with that I have a problem

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[GTAVercetti 0]

Believe me, I am no fan of the school systems...from their overzealous PC bullshit to getting rid of "keeping score", but in this case, these methods of protection are present in our society and any child or person who will eventually be in a position to have sex MUST know about them.

If parents want to avoid, fine. Schools shouldn't.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[billvon 3,108]

>No,Sorry if I came across that way.

OK, then you've got a bit of a contradiction here.

You have said schools should not teach things that go against a family's religion. You have also said that atheism is a religion. Which means, if you really believe those two things, you have to be against the teaching of anything that mentions God, including things like european history, the Declaration of Independence and the Pledge of Allegiance.

So either you don't really think atheism is a religion, or you think it's OK to teach things that go against a family's religious beliefs.

[rushmc 23]

OK, then who (or what institution) should make the decision as to what should be taught?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SudsyFist 0]

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OK, then who (or what institution) should make the decision as to what should be taught?

Local school boards, with state guidelines.

[rehmwa 2]

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OK, then who (or what institution) should make the decision as to what should be taught?

Local school boards, with state guidelines.

plus the input from parents that actually take the time to attend the planning meetings (rather that bitch about it after the fact)

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[GTAVercetti 0]

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OK, then who (or what institution) should make the decision as to what should be taught?

The same ones that are now: schools. They seem to get this right (at least my school did).

All they should teach is the anatomy, reproductive cycle, diseases (and how to get them), abstinence, and prevention. If I missed anything else to do with sex basics, forgive me.

No promotion. just what encompasses sex and sexual activity.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[rushmc 23]

Yes.

You see, I think both sides should be presented or neither, but that is not the way it is today is it?

(interesting how we got to this point!)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

And not federal appeals courts?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SudsyFist 0]

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OK, then who (or what institution) should make the decision as to what should be taught?

Local school boards, with state guidelines.

plus the input from parents that actually take the time to attend the planning meetings (rather that bitch about it after the fact)

Eck-fucking-zactly.

[rushmc 23]

So, federal appeals courts should not be involved?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln