Gawain 0 #26 November 8, 2005 Quote>I just don't recall it being that way here in Los Angeles when my city burned. During that time in your city I believe over 50 people were killed. So far that does not seem to be the case in France. True, on the other hand, a woman on crutches, in her 50s was set on fire. She was saved, and is in the hospital with massive burns all over her body. More people will die I expect.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #27 November 8, 2005 QuoteQuote I was focusing on the issue -- particularly on the sheer ridiculousness of Channman's post. Sometimes it's easier to understand when presented with something equally ridiculous (10 pts. to anyone who can name the term) Crowlification, crowlificating, or just plain crowleying a subject is to "to make an equally absurd or humorous statement in response to a conflicting point of view which the reader considers total bollocks and has no redeeming content with which to facilitate a reasonable or rational dialogue" also see: discrowlification: having to explain in painstaking detail the initial crowlification of the subject matter. Paypal is accepted. How much money is 10 points worth? So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #28 November 8, 2005 You're not kidding. And before some French loving chap gets in a retort about France not being a racist state how many million French citizens voted for Le Pen in the last elections? How many support his party? Millions.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #29 November 8, 2005 QuoteQuote I was focusing on the issue -- particularly on the sheer ridiculousness of Channman's post. Sometimes it's easier to understand when presented with something equally ridiculous (10 pts. to anyone who can name the term) Crowlification, crowlificating, or just plain crowleying a subject is to "to make an equally absurd or humorous statement in response to a conflicting point of view which the reader considers total bollocks and has no redeeming content with which to facilitate a reasonable or rational dialogue" also see: discrowlification: having to explain in painstaking detail the initial crowlification of the subject matter. Paypal is accepted. We have a winner! But fuck Paypal. It sucks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #30 November 8, 2005 Quote How much money is 10 points worth? No clue, but royalties and donations are accepted. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 November 8, 2005 just joining two threads, I'm not really familiar with the political state in that country so I can't necessarily join or refute your position, but I see symptoms that are common in many countries and worry about the direction our allies are going in some - just like they are with us also in many cases...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #32 November 8, 2005 QuoteYou're not kidding. And before some French loving chap gets in a retort about France not being a racist state how many million French citizens voted for Le Pen in the last elections? How many support his party? Millions. Men are racist by nature. Tolerance is a luxury enjoyed by very few enlightened individuals. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 November 8, 2005 Quote Tolerance is a luxury enjoyed by very few enlightened individuals. or at least very few self-deluded self-congratulatory few individuals.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #34 November 8, 2005 QuoteQuote Tolerance is a luxury enjoyed by very few enlightened individuals. or at least very few self-deluded self-congratulatory few individuals.... Are you saying that tolerance is an impossible ideal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 November 8, 2005 QuoteAre you saying that tolerance is an impossible ideal? Nope, I think it can be very natural and should be non self-conscious and just an unspoken part of character. (I'm talking about general tolerance of subjective differences - race, religion, what kind of car you drive, etc. Not tolerance of bad behavior, etc - why would you have to tolerate that.) I'm am saying that those that scream the most loudly about it likely are the worst offenders and are trying to sell something or fool people. As, per Frenchy's note, those that want to claim that they are of the "very few ENLIGHTENED individuals" will be the first to tell you so. For that matter, 'tolerance' is much different than acceptance - so there's another path to take the discussion down. "tolerance" means to me accepting against your natural inclination - that kind of sucks if you really think about it. Acceptance seems more positive and I wouldn't want to go any further than that though as 'celebrating' isn't always a good thing, too situational/subjective. Edit: just the phrases "enlightened" or "open your mind" and the like are so arrogant and self-serving I can hardly stand it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #36 November 8, 2005 I think I read Frency's post differently. Seemed he was taking a global view that in nature humans are racist by virtue of fear of the unknown (think tribally). Of the "first" world nations that have the luxury of a middle class and time to think about things other than their next meal and basic survival there's the ability to consider mans commonalities and actively work against our programming and instead reprogram ourselves through sociological conditioning. Follow the civil rights history of the US for examples of that, 50 years is a relatively short space of time to become 'enlightened'. I dont think it was a crappy concept at all. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #37 November 8, 2005 QuoteI dont think it was a crappy concept at all. the concept is fine - the public application of it is hypocrisy itself. Look at it this way. If you as an individual choose to be accepting of differences about you - even those that you don't agree with but which won't impact you directly, then good on you. But, it you feel the need to posture that position, then I question your motivations and, thus, your subsequent actions and ideas. For every 100 people that 'say' they are enlightened, I bet there are 0 of them that really are. But there may be 20 quiet others that really walk the walk and don't think twice about it or even mention it. The rest of us try our best and will someday have to choose to be one of the 20 or one of the 100. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #38 November 8, 2005 QuoteI'm am saying that those that scream the most loudly about it likely are the worst offenders I sorta disagree here. Perhaps those who scream loudly about it in a self-congratulatory (thanks for the word) tone have a few more issues simmering down below, and may have a weak foundation beneath that about which they're clamoring. But just being loud... I think that's just different strokes. Different people take different approaches in their activism. On this board, even, you have a number of people who are really bright and really interested in helping to enlighten others to their perspectives, and each takes their own approach. Some are bold and brazen, whereas others are thoughtful. Some use humor, whereas others use poignance. Some engage politely, whereas others are disrespectful. Some just have fucking MPD. QuoteFor that matter, 'tolerance' is much different than acceptance Agreed there. I like, "acceptance," myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #39 November 8, 2005 There's a whole lot of things I tolerate that I don't accept. For instance, half the posts in this forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #40 November 8, 2005 QuoteFor every 100 people that 'say' they are enlightened, I bet there are 0 of them that really are. But there may be 20 quiet others that really walk the walk and don't think twice about it or even mention it. The rest of us try our best and will someday have to choose to be one of the 20 or one of the 100. It seems like you're regarding humility as an essential component of enlightenment. Whilst I disagree with that argument, I will say that I much favor the humble over the arrogant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #41 November 8, 2005 QuoteThere's a whole lot of things I tolerate that I don't accept. For instance, half the posts in this forum Conversely, there's a whole lot of things I accept which I don't tolerate, like annoying squeaky girls who give great helmet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #42 November 8, 2005 QuoteOn this board, even, you have a number of people who are really bright and really interested in helping to enlighten others to their perspectives, semantics you write 'enlighten', I'd write 'inform' or 'share' instead. If they feel they are 'helping to enlighten' others, I read that as they consider themselves coming from a superior moral position and aren't sharing, but preaching from a very tall podium (to those poor idiots that obviously need their much superior insight into how to run their lives, even how to think 'correctly'). If you look at it, my read on it seems more frequent in occurence when you look in context. Just maybe not as blatantly in your face, but more subtle. It's a big reason why we rarely get 'understanding with respectful disagreement' here - too much "I'm right and your wrong" in the attitudes. But that is more fun. Still, too much conversion attempts, too little mutual understanding. Big ol -->IMHO<-- here ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #43 November 8, 2005 I see what you mean, I just didnt feel that Frenchy was talking about public proclamations of 'ooo look how awesome i am to not be racist'. I just thought that perhaps you had read more into the statement than I took away from his post. edited: of course you posted at the same time I did and made this post somewhat redundant. Personally I dont find any negative connotations with the word 'enlightened' unless its coming from a new-agey flake telling me that they are Enlightened. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 November 8, 2005 QuoteIt seems like you're regarding humility as an essential component of enlightenment. Whilst I disagree with that argument, I will say that I much favor the humble over the arrogant. no, I consider humility an essential sign/symptom of true acceptance ("it's just the way it is, not some big achievement" type of attitude). Do you find quietly religious types to be more sincere and, thus, actually nicer people in general? Or those that stand around trying to convert and judge everyone in sight to be more sincere. Same thing. (not that I want this to digress into a religious thread) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #45 November 8, 2005 Someone has to help the poor idiots. Your post seems to come off as though you are trying to "enlighten" others about their over enlightenment. Everyone on here is expressing their opinions. Most of us respect others opinions as well. Just because someone takes a strong stance with their opinions doesn't mean they think they're better than others. If you are made to feel inferior by some posts...that's a different problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #46 November 8, 2005 Chanman, were you serious with that first post? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #47 November 8, 2005 Quote 'ooo look how awesome i am to not be racist'. I just thought that perhaps you had read more into the statement than I took away from his post. nope, that's all I was talking about in a nutshell. Thanks for distilling it into something more palatable. I'm really that simpleminded ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #48 November 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteOn this board, even, you have a number of people who are really bright and really interested in helping to enlighten others to their perspectives, semantics you write 'enlighten', Um, that was deliberate. Humor. Ar Ar Ar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #49 November 8, 2005 ooooh, you are antagonistic today aren't you? well, take this and this and this I just hope to be understood - disagree all you want that should hold him ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #50 November 8, 2005 QuoteAs, per Frenchy's note, those that want to claim that they are of the "very few ENLIGHTENED individuals" will be the first to tell you so Reading and re-reading your statement, trying to understand the syntax of it. "Per Frenchy's note" meaning I proclaimed to be enlightened? Or meaning that I stated that "enlightened" people will be the first to say so? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
