Gravitymaster 0 #1 November 7, 2005 Quote CHICAGO, Nov. 6 (UPI) -- The Chicago school district plans to open an all-boys high school primarily for black teenagers. The Urban Prep Charter Academy for Young Men must be approved by the Board of Education this month, the Chicago Tribune reported. Mayor Richard Daley plans to open 100 schools in the city in the next five years. Plans for the next two years include a virtual elementary school, a high school operated by the University of Chicago and a high school stressing business entrepreneurship. Urban Prep would be located inside Englewood High School. Backers say it is aimed at a group that has the lowest graduation rate of any in the city. "We're going to take our students where they are and help them gain admission to college and succeed once they are there," said Tim King, the founder of Urban Prep. "Clearly there is a high need for figuring out how to serve these kids academically." Is this just the natural progression of Affirmative Action? Or is this just a realistic approach to helping a disadvantaged minority? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #2 November 7, 2005 I see no mentioning of segregation. Just someone placing a school where it is needed. If this place is populated by a lot of people with highly pigmented skin, well so be it. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #3 November 7, 2005 QuoteThe Chicago school district plans to open an all-boys high school primarily for black teenagers. My school was single sex only a few years before I went to it. Happily though the boys Grammar and Girls High school merged. I wouldn't like to think how my adolescent days would have been had I not gone to a co-ed school. Although I guess statistically kids do better when they are in single sex schools. Personally I think they'd be better with mixed sex schools, but hey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #4 November 7, 2005 Having gone to a parochial single-sex high school (in Chicago, I might add), I can say I did better because I did not have the distraction of chasing skirt when I should have been chasing scholarships to college. People did not spend hours staring at Little Suzie Rottencrotch when they should have been studying History. You did not have to worry about being forced to be around an ex-girlfriend in class after you broke up w/her. The girls I knew that went to single-sex schools appreciated the ability to not spend inordinate time on their appearances to impress the guys. The guys did not pull stupid stunts to establish a pecking order just to impress Ms. Rottencrotch. Social opportunities were there. We just were focused enough to get our shit together beforehand.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 November 7, 2005 I absolutely agree. But personally I'm glad I got to spend time with Suzie Rottencrotch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #6 November 7, 2005 they have them allready down here called REFORM SCHOOLS ...59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #7 November 7, 2005 Quotethey have them allready down here called REFORM SCHOOLS Thats a pretty racist statement. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #8 November 7, 2005 Yes it was -- thanks for noticing and saying so. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #9 November 7, 2005 QuoteQuotethey have them allready down here called REFORM SCHOOLS Thats a pretty racist statement. ... NAAA ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brierebecca 0 #10 November 7, 2005 This high school program is unconstitutional on its face because of equal protection standards. US v. Fordice was recently applied to this exact situation in Detroit, which was attempting to establish all-male afrocentric high schools to help with the black male drop-out rate. The court of appeals applied US v. Fordice and found that it was unconstitutional to focus a school system on a certain group to the exclusion of everyone else, because this isn't a compelling interest. I can't remember the case name for the life of me, but its in my notes for my Constitutional Law class. This issue hasn't been dealt with by the Supreme Court, but the fact that Detroit dropped the program immediately after the ruling is a pretty good indication of how it'll turn out. Just my two cents. Brie"Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #11 November 7, 2005 QuoteThis high school program is unconstitutional on its face because of equal protection standards. How so.. notice the word "predominantly". They may be focusing on a certain group but if they are not excluding anyone, shouldn't be a problem. I can't think of many white parents that would want to send their kids to a predominantly black school, though. No one can argue that inner city blacks don't have different challenges in education than suburban whites. Sounds to me like they are gearing the curriculum to address those challenges. There's nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of predominantly white suburban schools whose curriculum better suits those raised in that environment than inner city blacks. This is a non-story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brierebecca 0 #12 November 7, 2005 actually, they are excluding a group: females. This was another reason this SAME situation was deemed unconstitutional in Detroit for the reasons I argued above Also, it doesn't matter if you actively exclude one group or not. If you imply that a school is directed toward alleviating a problem associated with one group, you're still in trouble. This is because these kinds of programs are not about what affect they have. Its about the justification the government gives when they are established. This jusification has already been weighed and been found wanting. Still trying to find the case cite, but trust me, this exact situation has already been addressed, and its unconstitutional. Brie *edited for clarity"Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #13 November 7, 2005 QuoteSocial opportunities were there. We just were focused enough to get our shit together beforehand. You went to class with 30 dicks and not one pussy...that's UN-AMERICAN! Guess it worked for you, but I would have gone fucking insane. Screw that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #14 November 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteSocial opportunities were there. We just were focused enough to get our shit together beforehand. You went to class with 30 dicks and not one pussy...that's UN-AMERICAN! Guess it worked for you, but I would have gone fucking insane. Screw that. It was school, not a penitentiary....Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #15 November 7, 2005 QuoteNo one can argue that inner city blacks don't have different challenges in education than suburban whites. Sounds to me like they are gearing the curriculum to address those challenges. There's nothing wrong with that. What does that mean? Edit to add: Welcome back. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #16 November 7, 2005 It's been proven that blacks do worse at standardized testing because there is cultural bias in the questions. The same holds true for text books and curriculum. What it means is adjusting the curriculum to account for cultural differences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #17 November 7, 2005 Adjusting it how? Since you brought up race I'll ask you this: Do blacks not understand "white math", or "white history", or "white biology"? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 November 7, 2005 QuoteIt's been proven that blacks do worse at standardized testing because there is cultural bias in the questions. Do the studies note which areas have cultural bias? I have a hard time with the idea concerning real questions like math and science stuff, but certainly subjective things like literature and language could have a dramatic effect. Is it only blacks? What about whites that move in from other countries? I'd think that is a true cultural effect to overcome. What about asian immigrants? Do they also suffer a disadvantage? And what about all the nationality subgroups that people incorrectly call other 'races' - them too? How did 'other' do? I wonder what the control groups were for the studies? It would be interesting to see if it was a fully explored and objective study or just another study with preconceived results and the study was forced to demonstrate those results. Did they also bound other factors (both control and noise) for variation as well? I don't know, I'm genuinely interested as well as skeptical about socially based studies, I've never found one that was objective in the execution. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 November 7, 2005 QuoteSince you brought up race I'll ask you this: Do blacks not understand "white math", or "white history", or "white biology"? I could see history being an issue as subcultures are taught informally different things. But if the context of the test was standardized teachings that need to be related in the answers, then that's the material that should be learned. I could see - context adjustments teaching conflicting history to different groups (which already happens, then it isn't a good excuse to fail the tests if we are purposely being taught conflicting histories for political indoctrination reasons), then it really isn't testable at all, is it? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #20 November 7, 2005 Not the facts, the method of teaching. How do you explain a new concept to someone? Usually through analogy, or comparison to something with which they are already familiar. If students are too busy trying to figure out what's being used as an example because it is foreign to them, how the hell are they ever going to get to the conclusions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #21 November 7, 2005 Part of the deal is that much of what's tested on children are likely to have been exposed to at home as well. So that the teacher doesn't have to repeat things as many times, and can cover more material. Now -- should parents try to standardize what they cover so that kids do better in school? Yes and no. Numbers, letters, colors -- those are pretty good skills. But meaningful problems? Word problems even can be hard (heck -- while I loved them, I was in the slow algebra class in high school because of schedule issues -- the vast majority of those kids had some kind of problem with word problems ). Examples that you give in any class using "common knowledge" can make it harder. Any really rigorous study would have to be extremely limited in scope, which would, of course, also limit its usefulness. I know you you probably think the idea of "rigorous" and "social" in the same sentence without "dominatrix" also being there is kind of weird (), but such is life. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #22 November 7, 2005 It's more of a socio-economic bias than racial. It just so happens that many blacks share the same socio-economic background (poor - inner city). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 November 7, 2005 QuoteNot the facts, the method of teaching. completely agree - very important to get through to the kids and base teaching style off of the majority of whatever demographic is in the room and work separately with the other - good teachers can do that anyway without segregation. of course intelligent kids that try will adjust also, it isn't just one sided, the kids have to attempt to meet halfway also? so maybe the issue is teacher quality and student motivation in these areas rather than subject matter itself? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 November 7, 2005 QuotePart of the deal is that much of what's tested on children are likely to have been exposed to at home as well. 'exposed at home' very telling most teachers will, in the end, note that 90% of a student's success comes from his home exposure. Now we are back to socio-economic rather than race again. Which is a much more realistic place to start from. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #25 November 7, 2005 Quoteof course intelligent kids that try will adjust also, it isn't just one sided, the kids have to attempt to meet halfway also? So...less intelligent kids are what? Not deserving of assistance? Should be left by the wayside? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
