SudsyFist 0 #26 November 7, 2005 Beautifully put. You have the gift of seeing through bullshit, and coming to reasonable and objective conclusions. Wow. Just wow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #27 November 7, 2005 >The parents are the ones training them as four year olds on how >to become a suicide bomber. Perhaps. But then we come along and kill the parents, and that (now) eighteen year old suddenly feels enough hate to actually go and blow himself up, if it means killing just one of the people who killed his mother. And there is no end to that cycle of death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #28 November 7, 2005 QuoteI was awestruck by the caliber of brave Americans who have in the past and who are currently challenging themselves by becoming a United States Marine. Many may smirk at this statement, but if they do it’s only because they don’t possess the guts, fortitude and adventurous spirit to be a part of something bigger than themselves. 1. When did the threat to us start? Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us: * Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; * Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; * Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; * Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; * First New York World Trade Center attack 1993; * Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996; * Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998; * Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; * Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000; * New York World Trade Center 2001; * Pentagon 2001. (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide). Get a history lesson. The threat to us starterd when we took sides between the Arabs and Jews after WWII. When you take sides in a fight, you earn enemies. I won't debate why we took a side or why we took the one we did - that's for another debate. But the seeds for today's problem were sowed when we decided to play a significant role in the region, and decided to support the State of Israel. (Israel would never haved survived to this day without our backing. It has essentially served the role of US military outpost. Without our support they would have been crushed out of existrence). We took an interest in the region (for obvious reasons), and we chose our allies. We prop up puppet regimes, and just as readily take them out when the situation changes. We practice situational ethics of the worst sort. We supplied the arms and funds for the Turks to carry out genocide on the Kurds, then embrace the Kurds when it looks like they could help us. This conflict is about oil & money and the desire of our leaders to maintain as much influence in the region as possible. If it was because Saddam is a bad man, well then we need to invade a whole lot more places - with Saudi Arabia near the top of the list. Talk about Middle Age barbarians. The Roman Empire fell because they were bullies. Basically they insisted on imposing their culture on everyone. A fine example of what can happen when a group of egotistical, arrogant, bullies thinks they have all the answers and that everyone should be just like them. They were crushed by the people they abused. They were not some kind benevolent group of did not deserve what they got. As far as why they don't like us - see all of the above. We come up with excuses to stick our nose in other people's business. So now we attacked Iraq over human rights issues? What a joke. It's a good thing some other nation did not take it upon themselves to invade & conquer us before we evolved out of slavery, apartheid, our treatment of Native Americans, women as 2nd class citizens, etc. Bottom line, we take what we want, impose our will and culture without regard for others, and change alliances at the drop of a coin. To somehow paint what we have done as honorable and noble is a crock of shit. And again, get a history lesson that goes back farther than what is just convenient for you." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #29 November 7, 2005 QuoteIt's really not hard to figure out why they are fighting us. We're killing them. You would fight an occupier who killed off your friends and family too. It is more than just Iraq dude. There were terrorist attacks before Iraq. It only takes a small group to start a war like this. A group of extremists bomb a school. The government attacks back. Even if only those guilty of the terrorist attack were killed, someone would say it was wrong to attack back and would turn into a terrorist themself. Religious extremists started it. Ignoring them did no good, attacking back did no good. So what would you have done? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 November 7, 2005 Quote>The parents are the ones training them as four year olds on how >to become a suicide bomber. Perhaps. But then we come along and kill the parents, and that (now) eighteen year old suddenly feels enough hate to actually go and blow himself up, if it means killing just one of the people who killed his mother. And there is no end to that cycle of death. Yeah, right. Now explain to me why they are mainly killing other Iraqis and not Americans. Collateral damage, maybe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #31 November 7, 2005 >So what would you have done? Gone into Afghanistan, wiped out Al Qaeda, gotten Bin Laden, and gotten out. Go after the people who attacked the US, not the people who just don't want to be occupied. Use the billions we spent on the Iraq war for better border security and better port security. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #32 November 7, 2005 >Now explain to me why they are mainly killing other Iraqis and not Americans. Two possibilities I see: 1. Same reason we're killing more innocent Iraqis than insurgents. Bad aim, perhaps? 2. Because they want to create a civil war to make the US's task impossible, and setting Sunni against Shi'a accomplishes that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #33 November 7, 2005 Quote>Now explain to me why they are mainly killing other Iraqis and not Americans.Quote QuoteTwo possibilities I see: 1. Same reason we're killing more innocent Iraqis than insurgents. Bad aim, perhaps? I completely disagree. Most of the car bombs have been set to kill Iraqi Police, Military or just unprovoked attacks on civilians. It's very obvious most had no goal of killing US Troops. Quote2. Because they want to create a civil war to make the US's task impossible, and setting Sunni against Shi'a accomplishes that. Correct. Good to see you now agree with me that the main reason they are attacking has less to do with the fact that we are killing their children, parents, siblings etc. And more to do with trying to reject the efforts to bring a democracy to the ME in favor of a Theocracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #34 November 7, 2005 Thought you might be interested in this. http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL32058.pdf It's a Congressional Research Report on terrorism and suicide bombers. It discusses the reasons and some of the tactics those who recruit them use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #35 November 7, 2005 >Most of the car bombs have been set to kill Iraqi Police, Military or just > unprovoked attacks on civilians. It's very obvious most had no goal of > killing US Troops. Ah, so they told you who they were targeting? There are far more Iraqis than US soldiers in Iraq right now. A car bomb targeted even for US troops is likely to kill more Iraqis than US troops by sheer numbers alone. Yet some still succeed; another 4 US troops were killed by a car bomb today. >Good to see you now agree with me that the main reason they are >attacking has less to do with the fact that we are killing their children, > parents, siblings etc. And more to do with trying to reject the efforts to >bring a democracy to the ME in favor of a Theocracy. Nope. The stupider ones will scream and run at a US soldier with a gun, who will then efficiently blow him away. The smarter ones will hide and figure out how to hurt us the most. And fighting one side of a civil war will surely hurt us. Evolution works for behavior, too. The dumber insurgents are dying off, leaving the smarter ones. Unfortunately for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #36 November 7, 2005 Point taken, I could have been clearer with the term "fighter". But I know your able to still undertsand where I was trying to go with it. I don't always agree with ya but I do respect the effort you put in to making your points, and find that your criticism is quite constructive (seriously).An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ViperPilot 0 #37 November 7, 2005 QuoteIt's really not hard to figure out why they are fighting us. We're killing them. You would fight an occupier who killed off your friends and family too. And did we start killing them before or after the numerous terrorist attacks prior to and including Sep 11th? The answer is after...so therefore, how is it that the reason for them killing us is us killing them when they started killing us long before we started killing them. Whew, I like that sentence! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ReBirth 0 #38 November 7, 2005 QuoteAnd did we start killing them before or after the numerous terrorist attacks prior to and including Sep 11th? The answer is after Right...the Gulf War and the 10 years of bombing that followed didn't kill anyone. Not to mention that none of the 9/11 participants were Iraqi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ViperPilot 0 #39 November 7, 2005 QuoteThat's a load of crap. Seeing your kids blown to bits trumps political philosophy any day. Last I checked it was the "cool thing" to do (blowing yourself up) for Muslim teens in Iraq. The reason AQ is so active in the ME and against the US is the sole reason of setting up a strong Theocracy in teh ME. They want power, plain and simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #40 November 7, 2005 >And did we start killing them before or after the numerous terrorist >attacks prior to and including Sep 11th? The answer is after... You may have missed a war and a bombing campaign or two. Google "Gulf War." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,588 #41 November 7, 2005 Who started killing us? Which family of which Iraqi was involved with Sep 11th? Which was involved with the WTC bombinb? Which was involved with the Cole, or the embassy bombings? I'll bet the answer is none, or in the low single digits. You're pointint to "them" as being militant Islamics, and assuming that "they" are pretty much all alike. How do you know that to "them," "we" don't all look alike? Including our good friends and allies the Israelis? Do you really think that Iraqis living there give a flying fuck who shot whom first when their neighborhood is in a constant state of war? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #42 November 7, 2005 Jezzz.... Find/Replace AQ for USA in your post..... <> (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #43 November 7, 2005 QuoteThe reason AQ is so active in the ME and against the US is the sole reason of setting up a strong Theocracy in teh ME. They want power, plain and simple. I disagree, and here's why. Was Iraq an Islamic theocracy? No. Why, then, did they not dispose of Hussein themselves and attempt to induce the theocracy then? They were certainly more organized and trained before the U.S. responded to 9/11. Why the activity *now*? Here's another interesting question: is the insurgent activity we're seeing now truly the work of an organized Al Qaeda, or simply the efforts of a number of splinter groups, some of whom have allied under the Al Qaeda flag? Remember, the U.S. has done some serious damage to the Al Qaeda networks, and continues to do the same on an ongoing basis. I've little doubt that the leaders of Al Qaeda wish to have a theocracy there, but I highly doubt that this is the sole reason that they're currently active and against the U.S. They want the U.S. and its influences (political partnerships, puppet governments, etc.) the fuck out of their backyard. And they use religion quite effectively to convince their followers to abandon everything (including their lives) in pursuit of their political goals. Motherfuckers, using and twisting religion to manipulate the people for their political motives. Sadly, many leaders in many religions have done and still do exactly the same, to varying degrees. Just a damn shame all the way around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #44 November 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe reason AQ is so active in the ME and against the US is the sole reason of setting up a strong Theocracy in teh ME. They want power, plain and simple. I disagree, and here's why. Was Iraq an Islamic theocracy? No. Why, then, did they not dispose of Hussein themselves and attempt to induce the theocracy then? They were certainly more organized and trained before the U.S. responded to 9/11. Why the activity *now*? Because Hussein, was the enemy of OBL's enemy. He was funding Islamic Jihad, Hamas, paying big bucks to families of martyrs, etc. If they can create a void in power in the near term, they'll lay down for an Iranian style revolution. Saudi Arabia would be the next to fall, along with Syria and possibly Jordan or Kuwait (though the US would definitely intervene in either case there for sure). QuoteHere's another interesting question: is the insurgent activity we're seeing now truly the work of an organized Al Qaeda, or simply the efforts of a number of splinter groups, some of whom have allied under the Al Qaeda flag? Remember, the U.S. has done some serious damage to the Al Qaeda networks, and continues to do the same on an ongoing basis. Yes to all your points. QuoteI've little doubt that the leaders of Al Qaeda wish to have a theocracy there, but I highly doubt that this is the sole reason that they're currently active and against the U.S. They want the U.S. and its influences (political partnerships, puppet governments, etc.) the fuck out of their backyard. And they use religion quite effectively to convince their followers to abandon everything (including their lives) in pursuit of their political goals. It doesn't matter who's in there. The occupiers are infidels in their eyes. Islam is unique in the sense that the religion is also a political point of view and muslims' lives are dictated by that view. QuoteMotherfuckers, using and twisting religion to manipulate the people for their political motives. Sadly, many leaders in many religions have done and still do exactly the same, to varying degrees. Just a damn shame all the way around. Indeed.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #45 November 9, 2005 Quote Islam is unique in the sense that the religion is also a political point of view and muslims' lives are dictated by that view. Say what?? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #46 November 9, 2005 QuoteQuote Islam is unique in the sense that the religion is also a political point of view and muslims' lives are dictated by that view. Say what?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #47 November 9, 2005 QuoteQuote Islam is unique in the sense that the religion is also a political point of view and muslims' lives are dictated by that view. Say what?? He's got somewhat of a point. At least publicly, Muslims aren't exactly world-class independent thinkers. Privately, of course, they are at least as hypocritical as any other religious people. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterblaster72 0 #48 November 9, 2005 QuoteFrance is already 20% Muslim and fading fast! At this point I stopped taking your post seriously. France is NOT 20% Muslim, what bullshit. QuoteTo bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. We're already Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned. We've been for years. Our president is the personification of it. The war in Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorism is a convenient front. I can't believe that with all of the bullshit that's being uncovered people still fall for this idea that we're in there to protect ourselves. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #49 November 9, 2005 the 'somewhat' being the changing of 'unique' to 'like most religions'? or did you mean something else? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #50 November 9, 2005 Quotethe 'somewhat' being the changing of 'unique' to 'like most religions'? or did you mean something else? Yeah, pretty much, but Muslims seem to be more like that. From my limited experience with both Christians and Muslims, it seems to be like a lot of Christians feel not only free to question their beliefs but often make a practice of doing so. Muslims not so much. My guess (and it is *only* a guess) is that a Muslim questioning the existance of Allah would be about as popular as a Jew at a Klan rally. 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Gravitymaster 0 #34 November 7, 2005 Thought you might be interested in this. http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL32058.pdf It's a Congressional Research Report on terrorism and suicide bombers. It discusses the reasons and some of the tactics those who recruit them use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #35 November 7, 2005 >Most of the car bombs have been set to kill Iraqi Police, Military or just > unprovoked attacks on civilians. It's very obvious most had no goal of > killing US Troops. Ah, so they told you who they were targeting? There are far more Iraqis than US soldiers in Iraq right now. A car bomb targeted even for US troops is likely to kill more Iraqis than US troops by sheer numbers alone. Yet some still succeed; another 4 US troops were killed by a car bomb today. >Good to see you now agree with me that the main reason they are >attacking has less to do with the fact that we are killing their children, > parents, siblings etc. And more to do with trying to reject the efforts to >bring a democracy to the ME in favor of a Theocracy. Nope. The stupider ones will scream and run at a US soldier with a gun, who will then efficiently blow him away. The smarter ones will hide and figure out how to hurt us the most. And fighting one side of a civil war will surely hurt us. Evolution works for behavior, too. The dumber insurgents are dying off, leaving the smarter ones. Unfortunately for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #36 November 7, 2005 Point taken, I could have been clearer with the term "fighter". But I know your able to still undertsand where I was trying to go with it. I don't always agree with ya but I do respect the effort you put in to making your points, and find that your criticism is quite constructive (seriously).An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #37 November 7, 2005 QuoteIt's really not hard to figure out why they are fighting us. We're killing them. You would fight an occupier who killed off your friends and family too. And did we start killing them before or after the numerous terrorist attacks prior to and including Sep 11th? The answer is after...so therefore, how is it that the reason for them killing us is us killing them when they started killing us long before we started killing them. Whew, I like that sentence! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #38 November 7, 2005 QuoteAnd did we start killing them before or after the numerous terrorist attacks prior to and including Sep 11th? The answer is after Right...the Gulf War and the 10 years of bombing that followed didn't kill anyone. Not to mention that none of the 9/11 participants were Iraqi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #39 November 7, 2005 QuoteThat's a load of crap. Seeing your kids blown to bits trumps political philosophy any day. Last I checked it was the "cool thing" to do (blowing yourself up) for Muslim teens in Iraq. The reason AQ is so active in the ME and against the US is the sole reason of setting up a strong Theocracy in teh ME. They want power, plain and simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #40 November 7, 2005 >And did we start killing them before or after the numerous terrorist >attacks prior to and including Sep 11th? The answer is after... You may have missed a war and a bombing campaign or two. Google "Gulf War." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #41 November 7, 2005 Who started killing us? Which family of which Iraqi was involved with Sep 11th? Which was involved with the WTC bombinb? Which was involved with the Cole, or the embassy bombings? I'll bet the answer is none, or in the low single digits. You're pointint to "them" as being militant Islamics, and assuming that "they" are pretty much all alike. How do you know that to "them," "we" don't all look alike? Including our good friends and allies the Israelis? Do you really think that Iraqis living there give a flying fuck who shot whom first when their neighborhood is in a constant state of war? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #42 November 7, 2005 Jezzz.... Find/Replace AQ for USA in your post..... <> (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #43 November 7, 2005 QuoteThe reason AQ is so active in the ME and against the US is the sole reason of setting up a strong Theocracy in teh ME. They want power, plain and simple. I disagree, and here's why. Was Iraq an Islamic theocracy? No. Why, then, did they not dispose of Hussein themselves and attempt to induce the theocracy then? They were certainly more organized and trained before the U.S. responded to 9/11. Why the activity *now*? Here's another interesting question: is the insurgent activity we're seeing now truly the work of an organized Al Qaeda, or simply the efforts of a number of splinter groups, some of whom have allied under the Al Qaeda flag? Remember, the U.S. has done some serious damage to the Al Qaeda networks, and continues to do the same on an ongoing basis. I've little doubt that the leaders of Al Qaeda wish to have a theocracy there, but I highly doubt that this is the sole reason that they're currently active and against the U.S. They want the U.S. and its influences (political partnerships, puppet governments, etc.) the fuck out of their backyard. And they use religion quite effectively to convince their followers to abandon everything (including their lives) in pursuit of their political goals. Motherfuckers, using and twisting religion to manipulate the people for their political motives. Sadly, many leaders in many religions have done and still do exactly the same, to varying degrees. Just a damn shame all the way around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #44 November 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe reason AQ is so active in the ME and against the US is the sole reason of setting up a strong Theocracy in teh ME. They want power, plain and simple. I disagree, and here's why. Was Iraq an Islamic theocracy? No. Why, then, did they not dispose of Hussein themselves and attempt to induce the theocracy then? They were certainly more organized and trained before the U.S. responded to 9/11. Why the activity *now*? Because Hussein, was the enemy of OBL's enemy. He was funding Islamic Jihad, Hamas, paying big bucks to families of martyrs, etc. If they can create a void in power in the near term, they'll lay down for an Iranian style revolution. Saudi Arabia would be the next to fall, along with Syria and possibly Jordan or Kuwait (though the US would definitely intervene in either case there for sure). QuoteHere's another interesting question: is the insurgent activity we're seeing now truly the work of an organized Al Qaeda, or simply the efforts of a number of splinter groups, some of whom have allied under the Al Qaeda flag? Remember, the U.S. has done some serious damage to the Al Qaeda networks, and continues to do the same on an ongoing basis. Yes to all your points. QuoteI've little doubt that the leaders of Al Qaeda wish to have a theocracy there, but I highly doubt that this is the sole reason that they're currently active and against the U.S. They want the U.S. and its influences (political partnerships, puppet governments, etc.) the fuck out of their backyard. And they use religion quite effectively to convince their followers to abandon everything (including their lives) in pursuit of their political goals. It doesn't matter who's in there. The occupiers are infidels in their eyes. Islam is unique in the sense that the religion is also a political point of view and muslims' lives are dictated by that view. QuoteMotherfuckers, using and twisting religion to manipulate the people for their political motives. Sadly, many leaders in many religions have done and still do exactly the same, to varying degrees. Just a damn shame all the way around. Indeed.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #45 November 9, 2005 Quote Islam is unique in the sense that the religion is also a political point of view and muslims' lives are dictated by that view. Say what?? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #46 November 9, 2005 QuoteQuote Islam is unique in the sense that the religion is also a political point of view and muslims' lives are dictated by that view. Say what?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #47 November 9, 2005 QuoteQuote Islam is unique in the sense that the religion is also a political point of view and muslims' lives are dictated by that view. Say what?? He's got somewhat of a point. At least publicly, Muslims aren't exactly world-class independent thinkers. Privately, of course, they are at least as hypocritical as any other religious people. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterblaster72 0 #48 November 9, 2005 QuoteFrance is already 20% Muslim and fading fast! At this point I stopped taking your post seriously. France is NOT 20% Muslim, what bullshit. QuoteTo bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. We're already Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned. We've been for years. Our president is the personification of it. The war in Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorism is a convenient front. I can't believe that with all of the bullshit that's being uncovered people still fall for this idea that we're in there to protect ourselves. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #49 November 9, 2005 the 'somewhat' being the changing of 'unique' to 'like most religions'? or did you mean something else? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #50 November 9, 2005 Quotethe 'somewhat' being the changing of 'unique' to 'like most religions'? or did you mean something else? Yeah, pretty much, but Muslims seem to be more like that. From my limited experience with both Christians and Muslims, it seems to be like a lot of Christians feel not only free to question their beliefs but often make a practice of doing so. Muslims not so much. My guess (and it is *only* a guess) is that a Muslim questioning the existance of Allah would be about as popular as a Jew at a Klan rally. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
waltappel 1 #47 November 9, 2005 QuoteQuote Islam is unique in the sense that the religion is also a political point of view and muslims' lives are dictated by that view. Say what?? He's got somewhat of a point. At least publicly, Muslims aren't exactly world-class independent thinkers. Privately, of course, they are at least as hypocritical as any other religious people. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #48 November 9, 2005 QuoteFrance is already 20% Muslim and fading fast! At this point I stopped taking your post seriously. France is NOT 20% Muslim, what bullshit. QuoteTo bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. We're already Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned. We've been for years. Our president is the personification of it. The war in Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorism is a convenient front. I can't believe that with all of the bullshit that's being uncovered people still fall for this idea that we're in there to protect ourselves. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #49 November 9, 2005 the 'somewhat' being the changing of 'unique' to 'like most religions'? or did you mean something else? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #50 November 9, 2005 Quotethe 'somewhat' being the changing of 'unique' to 'like most religions'? or did you mean something else? Yeah, pretty much, but Muslims seem to be more like that. From my limited experience with both Christians and Muslims, it seems to be like a lot of Christians feel not only free to question their beliefs but often make a practice of doing so. Muslims not so much. My guess (and it is *only* a guess) is that a Muslim questioning the existance of Allah would be about as popular as a Jew at a Klan rally. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
