rushmc 23 #76 November 7, 2005 The US ran out of nam because of a media with an agenda lined up with those that think as you do. Today, you and your media have no such monopoly. The facts can be found by those who choose to look for them. They post those findings and the debate rages. The US could have and would have ended the war in nam in a short period of time had the polittions stayed out of it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #77 November 7, 2005 QuoteWhat ever you want to say doesn't change the fact we are winning but I understand admitting that undermines your political stance Huh? I made a point with regard to one of the criteria you used to support your position. From where did this admission/stance stuff come? OK, now it seems you're moving on to other criteria... QuoteMany many more of them are dying than ours. Battle Damage Assessment (BDA). At the tactical level, these stats are very important. At the strategic level, their value is to operations that target reduction of enemy troop strength. The War on Terror, however, is a different environment than conventional war. Consider the lack of enemy organization and structure (divisions, brigades, battalions, etc.), for example. Strategically, these numbers alone don't do much in this case, unless we can somehow link them causally with actual reduction in enemy effectiveness. At this point, we can't do that, especially when we take into account the ideological factors which drive much of the terrorism to begin with. QuoteElections have taken place, a first cut at a constitution has been made, Agreed. Good things. Quotethe money tubes for the terorists are drying up making what they do more difficult. I haven't seen anything concrete to indicate this is true. Do you have anything to substantiate this claim? QuoteYou don't have to agree with the policies and the tactics but you can't close your eyes to the results. .......opps, I guess you can People choose all the time that to which they pay their attentions. I try, however, to be as objective as possible. Do you? Quote"Freedom isn't free" In case you haven't noticed, we're not fighting for freedom here. Wasn't the last time we fought a war to protect our own sovereignty as a nation (not to be confused with political objectives) somewhere around 1941-1945? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #78 November 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteif it didnt happen on US soil it probably didnt matter........right? No we haven't helped any other countries. We are selfish and we are bullies. We invade contries and never leave. Dam Rushmc, that noise you heard was the point of my post whipping right above your head. maybe if you read what it was in response to you'll understand, rather than just seeing my name and assuming that its something for you to bitch about. I realize you're trying though, and it's appreciated TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #79 November 7, 2005 If I missed something I am sorry but I have attempted to follow the whole thread I takes many directions by page 4 No assumptions were made......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #80 November 7, 2005 QuoteDam, finally an expert!!!! Tell us more People like to make statements like the one at the top thinking they are so sharp in the assesment no one can dare chalenge them.........sad really........ I don't see you add anything to this discussion but attacks. I also do not see you challenging it. I do not see you bring anything to this but attacks and a know it all attitude. You just claim to know better than everyone without any proof. Next time you feel like acting superiour, bring facts or even opinion, not just attacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #81 November 7, 2005 <incredibly low, relatively unconsequential in the grand scheme of things. >> Yeah right.... if it helps you sleep at night Innocent kids are NEVER <> how could anyone ever be calous enough to think that they could be? . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #82 November 7, 2005 so you actually believe the US is in iraq for any reason other than finacial gain? what about the terror in east timor, zimbabwe, north korea, rwanda......... the list goes on. it is blatantly obvious."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #83 November 7, 2005 Quoteso you actually believe the US is in iraq for any reason other than finacial gain? Political motives? Power and influence in the Middle East? And those are just a couple of the cynical ones. Quotewhat about the terror in east timor, zimbabwe, north korea, What terror in North Korea? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #84 November 7, 2005 QuotePolitical motives? Power and influence in the Middle East? the two words BLACK GOLD spring to mind? what do you think happens to anyone that tries to leave north korea? i jumped a south korean today cant remember ever seeing or meeting a north korean? gee i wonder why."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #85 November 7, 2005 Quotethe two words BLACK GOLD spring to mind? I can't tell if you're arguing against what I said or agreeing with it. I'll just assume the latter. Quotewhat do you think happens to anyone that tries to leave north korea? i jumped a south korean today cant remember ever seeing or meeting a north korean? gee i wonder why. Believe it or not, citizens of the DPRK are allowed to travel, albeit under tightly controlled conditions: these are the laws they have in place. Ask your buddy how easy it is under ROK law for a South Korean to visit the North, and you'll see that the restrictions are mutual at least in that respect. How exactly are you defining the term, "terror," btw? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #86 November 7, 2005 You obviously have not seen many of my posts. But I see you practice what you preach ....and most of the time I am defending myself and the institutions of this country that are being attacked"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #87 November 7, 2005 Quote What terror in North Korea? The Kim Jong-il Halloween Movie Spectacular! The man had to do something with that movie director master-class he took. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #88 November 7, 2005 QuoteQuote What terror in North Korea? The Kim Jong-il Halloween Movie Spectacular! The man had to do something with that movie director master-class he took. Hans Brix? Oh no... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #89 November 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote What terror in North Korea? The Kim Jong-il Halloween Movie Spectacular! The man had to do something with that movie director master-class he took. Hans Brix? Oh no... Lonely I'm so lonely, I have nobody, For my owwnnn I'm so lonely, I'm Mr. Lonely I have nobody, For my owwnnn I'm so lonely TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #90 November 7, 2005 Quote Lonely I'm so lonely, I have nobody, For my owwnnn I'm so lonely, I'm Mr. Lonely I have nobody, For my owwnnn I'm so lonely Alex. You need to work on your spelling. It's ronery HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #91 November 7, 2005 yeah stupid PC webpage I stole the lyrics from TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #92 November 7, 2005 QuoteYou obviously have not seen many of my posts. But I see you practice what you preach All I saw was you attack me and bring nothing to the table. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #93 November 7, 2005 I don't know what people mean when they say "winning the war on terror" or "losing the war on terror", for that matter. The sentence just doesn't make any sense. which is why we'll never agree on an answer. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #94 November 7, 2005 No, you are right I bring nothing to the table but, you are not the first to insult me......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #95 November 7, 2005 Quoteand most of the time I am defending myself and the institutions of this country that are being attacked There are people who respect the institutions for themselves, and others whose basic nature is to question institutions. Really -- just because an institution exists doesn't make it the best it could be, or the worst it could be. It's a human artifact. Unlike, however, works of art, most institutions evolve with time and social change. Which can be difficult. Now -- guess which side of that one I'm on... I never saw an institution that didn't need questioning . But politely, as a rule -- my mother always taught me that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #96 November 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteand most of the time I am defending myself and the institutions of this country that are being attacked There are people who respect the institutions for themselves, and others whose basic nature is to question institutions. Really -- just because an institution exists doesn't make it the best it could be, or the worst it could be. It's a human artifact. Unlike, however, works of art, most institutions evolve with time and social change. Which can be difficult. Now -- guess which side of that one I'm on... I never saw an institution that didn't need questioning . But politely, as a rule -- my mother always taught me that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Wendy W. All valid points. I do think however that some the instutions attacked just because they are there. No time is spent looking at the facts which is too bad. Your point about institutions evolving brings to mind the highest court. It has evolved in the last 30 years. Has it changed for the better or worse? I will let you guess which side of that one I am on"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #97 November 7, 2005 QuoteI do think however that some the instutions attacked just because they are there. No time is spent looking at the facts which is too bad. That could very easily be rewritten as I do think however that some of the instutions are defended just because they are there. No time is spent looking at the facts which is too bad. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #98 November 7, 2005 True, with out a doubt....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #99 November 7, 2005 QuoteTrue, with out a doubt..... careful, man, she's trying to ply you with honey instead of vinegar. It's OH SO SWEET, then BAMMM!!! hit from the blindside - a bag of frozen vinegar right to the temple. Next thing you know, you're wearing beads and singing around a campfire lit in front of city hall. Edit: {song} so we marched day and night, by the big cooling tower, they have the plant, but we have the power {song} now play classical gas Dental PLAN; Lisa needs braces: Dental PLAN; Lisa needs braces: Dental PLAN; Lisa needs braces: Dental PLAN; Lisa needs braces: ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #100 November 7, 2005 Kumbaya, dood Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
