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Winning the "war" on terror?

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LOL

its late, and you're not making much sense... i'm off to bed



That's a shame you're choosing to leave now. I'm at my office on a Saturday night earning US$425 per hour but now I'll leave to find fun elsewhere.

I plan to be back here bright and early, so give us a ring why don't you.


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For me the best way to fight these evil doers is take a 747 with a whole plan load of those huckers and fly it straight into Mecca: about 50 miles from the port city of Jeddah. Screw it just load it past the manufactures load average and do the deed.

That is a way for them to see those virgins without taking someone with real protentail with them.
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Terrorism is on the up since 9/11.



Not in the USA. Which is what matters the most to me. There have been far fewer attacks here since President Bush responded to 9/11.


Actually not in anywhere else either, since there has not been any terrorist attack since the last one. I like your logic. :P

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You don't count the March 12, 2004 bombing of Madrid as a terror attack? 190 dead, 1200 wounded. Cnn.com said Spain suffered its worst TERRORIST attack in history that day.

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You don't count the March 12, 2004 bombing of Madrid as a terror attack? 190 dead, 1200 wounded. Cnn.com said Spain suffered its worst TERRORIST attack in history that day.



Yeah it amazes me how people forget about that stuff.

Will we win the war on terror? Nope. Its impossible. You can not fight a extreme arm of a religion without pissing off the moderates of that religion to the point that they become extremists.

However, you can not also ignore the issue. OBL's letter to America spells it our clearly that the only way to prevent attacks is:

1. Destroy the Jews.
"You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there"

2. Submit to Muslim rule.
"The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam."

3. Live a life following the tenants of Islam.
" You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object. Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment"

4. Americans seemed to invent AIDS BTW
"And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention"

Final notes from OBL
"If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice and the goodness, guidance and righteousness that we call them to, then be aware that you will lose this Crusade Bush began, just like the other previous Crusades in which you were humiliated by the hands of the Mujahideen, fleeing to your home in great silence and disgrace. If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.

This is our message to the Americans, as an answer to theirs. Do they now know why we fight them and over which form of ignorance, by the permission of Allah, we shall be victorious?"

So as you can see there is no way to make him happy.

Also as long as we strike back we will create more terrorists. But if we do not strike back *WE WILL STILL BE ATTACKED* until we start to follow Islam.

So like it or not, this was going to happen.

The ONLY answer is for the standard of living and the level of education to be so great in the terroist rich countries that people quit to be willing to die for religion.

I really do not ever see that happening. Saudi Arabia is one of the richest countries in the world and yet most of the 9/11 terrorists came from there.

Please, if you think anything else google Bin Ladens "Letter to America" and read it for yourself. He makes some very good points. But over all he is a nutbag trying to justify a Jihad.

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I have gotten to a point that i do not care how many U.S or terrorist lives are wasted. I feel very sorry though for those innocents caught in the crossfire. Those are the only ones that did not ask to be in that position.



You don't care how many of us die? We didn't ask to go to Baghdad, or Tikrit, or Balad...we asked to serve our country, to give something of ourselves to help others. The only thing I'm sorry for is knowing that something I or my friends do will benefit you...tragedy of the commons at its best.

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Actually not in anywhere else either, since there has not been any terrorist attack since the last one. I like your logic



So all the bombers blowing up schools, hospitals and police stations aren't terrorist attacks? Dragging women and children into the streets and executing them are not acts of terrorism? Bombing cafes and trains are not acts of terrorism? Oh yes, terrorism is unpleasantly rising in several locations around the world.

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the london underground rings a bell, oh i guess thats whta you mean by trains:$

the war on terror is a joke. the US has caused more terror than all the extrmist attacks put together, for what?... financial gain.

i can't believe this is not obvious to everyone?

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You should consider polling your colleagues in Egypt, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia as to whether there have been “not any terrorist attack” in those countries.

Something got lost in the translation. I’ve witnessed you post more compelling argumentation Bottelines. Keep on trying.


Probably so for i was speaking that no terrorist attack has occured since the last one. There hasn´t been a terrorist attack in the U.S since the last one in the U.S. There hasn´t beem any bombing in Spain since the last bombing in Spain, and so on.
I say this because is very naive to think that terrorism is decreasing only because there hasn´t been yet another one. I don´t know how many years it took them to prepare 9/11, but i assure you that you have another terrorist attack on the way, like we do, like british do.

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Are you referring to Indonesia and Morroco? These two countries are infamous for purchasing security from “AQ” after they are attacked, certainly neither country is taking proactive steps to quash Muslim insurgents as was suggested by my original post.


I thought you were speaking about Europe. In any case your theory is bogus because appeasement or not we are all getting terrorists attacks.

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Nah. The USA needs reliable partners who act despite their fears. Your type just lets the streets burn a la St. Denis and hopes for a good outcome.


My type will wait till seing the fire before taking action against who started the fire. Your type will be the one who starts the fire.
Good luck if you want reliable partners if you are only going to offer for a reason faulty intelligence or fundamentalist neo-con points of view.
You will have to resort to bribes and threats like you did last time.


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Hmmm... I agree. We should put our tails between our legs, lay down our weapons, and run for the hills like a certain country I know of.


Are you speaking of the U.S in Vietnam, or the U.S in Irak when you finally leave without acomplish anything.
Your war mongering post makes me sick. If insteand of Irak you were fighting AQ then i would be with you along with many anti-war people, but i don´t want to take part in any war whose main reason is economic.


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I agree here too. Us Americans are far too proud. I mean what do we really have to be proud of?


You have to be proud as much as anyone else from any other country. You live where you live because your parents happened to have sex without protection in the U.S. So don´t think you are any better or have anything more than other people in a no thirld world country has.


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Well I think we have a lot to be proud but you are right....it would be a hell of a lot of easier to be cowards if we weren't so proud.


It is easy to be brave against a country that cannot defend itself, like Irak. We saw the cowardice of the U.S when your monkey president dealt with N. Korea. And your bravery or cowardice regarding Iran will be determine wether they have a nuke or not.
You must be one of those that think the bully in haigh school is very brabe for stealing lunch to smaller kids.

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You don't care how many of us die? We didn't ask to go to Baghdad, or Tikrit, or Balad...we asked to serve our country, to give something of ourselves to help others.



There is many people in the U.S military that completely agree with what is going on in Irak. If you are one of those few that are there because you signed to defend your country but disagree with what is going on then i do care for you and i hope you make it home in one piece.
However the trick this administration is playing is separating those who go to war from those who decide the war. That way the anti-war people will be torn between supporting the troops but not supporting the administration and its cause will be much weaker.
If the guys in the military didn´t agree with that war and voiced their opinion, the war would be over much sooner.


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The only thing I'm sorry for is knowing that something I or my friends do will benefit you...tragedy of the commons at its best.


If that is the only thing you are sorry for, then do not worry, because nothing of what you are doing is benefitting me, my family, my frriends or my country. As a matter of fact, it is not even benefitting you. And i am trully sorry for that. This war is making some people very rich or very powerful, trust me when i tell you that you will not be better of because of this, neither economically, neither in terms of security.

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For some reason many Americans tend believe that you must be intellectually superior if you make lots of money per hour.

This helps explain why most think-tanks are actually made up of prostitutes, drug dealers and super models.

When this strategy fails they will bring up the size of their genitals in an attempt to intimidate and prove catagorically that they *must* be right in their opinion.

Just pat them on the head and send them to bed like the pouty adolescent society they tend to be when told they can't stay out late

:P

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How many people think America is winnin their war on terror?



I can't measure it in terms of winning, but we're doing something right. If we weren't there would be rivers of people running from Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran into Iraq to fight us there. Instead, they'd be planning their next deliberate attack on US soil. It may, or may not happen. These "insurgents" obviously see a threat to their cause by us being in Iraq, and by Iraq transforming into a secular state without a chaos inspiring dictator.

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And how many soldiers lives will finally be lost once this war is won?



No way to answer that.

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When do people think (roughly) this war will be officially won?



Probably when people stop blowing themselves and innocent civilians up.

In terms of time, we'll be actively engaged for decades.

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and when soldiers are pulled out of Iraq, will the victory be the same as the victory in Vietnam?



No.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I can't measure it in terms of winning, but we're doing something right. If we weren't there would be rivers of people running from Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran into Iraq to fight us there.
Instead, they'd be planning their next deliberate attack on US soil. It may, or may not happen. These "insurgents" obviously see a threat to their cause by us being in Iraq, and by Iraq transforming into a secular state without a chaos inspiring dictator.



I think that what they fear is not a secular state, but a state runned by a puppet government controlled by the U.S.

So you think they are so stupid that the insurgency cannot spare 50 men from the war to plan the next big attack on U.S soil.

Complacency kills.

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