Gravitymaster 0 #51 November 4, 2005 QuoteI wonder if some people would stick to their argument, that we should do what the people of the region want. What if they didn't want us drilling for oil there? Would it be a different ball game then? Or are we only worried about what the NON natives of the area want? The people that have moved up there waiting for the drilling to start, I am sure they are fine with drilling the area. They can't wait for their jobs to start and the money to start coming in. While the real native people get the same shit they've been dealing with since the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock! Naw, just let the natives open up a few casinos so they can make money off the Oil Company employees and they will be OK with anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #52 November 10, 2005 >>the eco-nuts will rage >All the more reason to drill . . . May have to postpone the gloat a bit: ------------------------------------------------------ US House suspends push for Alaska oil drilling Wed Nov 9, 2005 9:57 PM ET165 By Richard Cowan WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives abandoned, at least temporarily, a drive to open Alaska's National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling after concluding on Wednesday the initiative was threatening passage of a huge bill to cut spending. "ANWR and OCS will be out" of the legislation, said House Budget Committee Chairman Jim Nussle, an Iowa Republican. . . . With a more ambitious, $54 billion spending-reduction bill getting bogged down in the House, Republican leaders jettisoned the oil drilling plans for now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #53 November 10, 2005 Quote>>the eco-nuts will rage >All the more reason to drill . . . May have to postpone the gloat a bit: ------------------------------------------------------ US House suspends push for Alaska oil drilling Wed Nov 9, 2005 9:57 PM ET165 By Richard Cowan WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives abandoned, at least temporarily, a drive to open Alaska's National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling after concluding on Wednesday the initiative was threatening passage of a huge bill to cut spending. "ANWR and OCS will be out" of the legislation, said House Budget Committee Chairman Jim Nussle, an Iowa Republican. . . . With a more ambitious, $54 billion spending-reduction bill getting bogged down in the House, Republican leaders jettisoned the oil drilling plans for now. Great news. Some of the GOP are thinking independently rather than towing the party line. I wonder if this will catch on with the diehard GOP SC folks. Associated press... Twenty-five Republicans, led by Rep. Charles Bass of New Hampshire, signed a letter asking GOP leaders to strike the Alaskan drilling provision from the broader $54 billion budget cut bill. "Rather then reversing decades of protection for this publicly held land, focusing greater attention on renewable energy sources, alternate fuels, and more efficient systems and appliances would yield more net energy savings than could come from ANWR and would have a higher benefit on the nation's long-term economic leadership and security," they said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #54 November 10, 2005 QuoteSome of the GOP are thinking independently rather than towing the party line. I wonder if this will catch on with the diehard GOP SC folks. and I wonder how the diehard DEM SC folks will find a way to belittle those 25 guys for this even though they agree with it but it must be wrong unless Ted Kennedy proposed it instead (of course after the gratuitous Bush bash followed by the Clinton references and the anti-war off topic degradation to French Riots) Stupic congress always puts too many items in a bill. no wonder nothing ever gets done ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #55 November 10, 2005 >Some of the GOP are thinking independently rather than towing the party line. Yep. That's been one good result of the GOP meltdown - GOP congressmen are starting to think about a) what the right thing to do is and b) what will get them re-elected. Well, they're doing b) a lot more than a), but still - a better position than 'whatever the party wants.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #56 November 10, 2005 QuoteYep. That's been one good result of the GOP meltdown - GOP congressmen are starting to think about a) what the right thing to do is and b) what will get them re-elected. Well, they're doing b) a lot more than a), but still - a better position than 'whatever the party wants.' It's a shame the DNC meltdown hasn't had a similar effect. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #57 November 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteYep. That's been one good result of the GOP meltdown - GOP congressmen are starting to think about a) what the right thing to do is and b) what will get them re-elected. Well, they're doing b) a lot more than a), but still - a better position than 'whatever the party wants.' It's a shame the DNC meltdown hasn't had a similar effect. Yeah, they just end up crying and bitching. Maybe you have to be in power for a meltdown to be effective?Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #58 November 10, 2005 >It's a shame the DNC meltdown hasn't had a similar effect. If I recall it did, but then the party lost its power, so their 'defecting from the party line' didn't mean anything. Nowadays, what's the democratic party line? They don't have an observable one. Which makes sense; a party line is pretty useless if you can't do anything with it. If you want a bill passed as a minority party you have to make your 'party line' inclusive of the other side, and that means it soon ceases to be a defining party line. It's more just a consensus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #59 November 10, 2005 The DNC had a meltdown because they lost any kind of mission, it resulted in losing a lot of power. Which resulted in the GOP gaining a lot of power and having a different kind of meltdown. Nice chain. We could hope for positive change in both parties if they really had the public interest at heart. But, I don't see this complete double breakdown having any positive effect on the DNC (as GTAV noted) and the GOP is sporadic at best as noted above in the thread. Maybe it only works if you're already in power, then meltdown. (again nods to GTA and you for similar observations) If so, then the regrouping is based on retaining power, not because of anything decent like a good strong introspective look, or even just figuring out what might really be the right thing to do rather than the political things driving both parties today. This is why I have bouts of cynicism where politics are concerned. Even when skaken to their roots, the DNC and GOP still don't get it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #60 November 10, 2005 QuoteWe could hope for positive change in both parties if they really had the public interest at heart. You make me laugh sometimes. Or cry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #61 November 10, 2005 Q>Nowadays, what's the democratic party line? A>If Bush wants it, it must be bad, so we will oppose it with all our might... A2>If it is wrong, or even appears to be, it is Bush's fault. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #62 November 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteWe could hope for positive change in both parties if they really had the public interest at heart. You make me laugh sometimes. Or cry I like how you took the remainder of my post and summarized it in one line. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #63 November 11, 2005 QuoteQ>Nowadays, what's the democratic party line? A>If Bush wants it, it must be bad, so we will oppose it with all our might... A2>If it is wrong, or even appears to be, it is Bush's fault. J You're giving the Dems a lot of credit for perspicacity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #64 November 11, 2005 QuoteYou're giving the Dems a lot of credit for perspicacity Not really. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #65 November 11, 2005 QuoteYeah...definitely worth it. Hell...a penny a gallon. That might be $5 a piece over the life of the entire supply!! whooppeee. So.. lets see they also say there is like a years supply worth up there for the US.. trouble is... most of the crude that comes out of AK.. AINT going to the US... Hello Asia....heres some more oil for you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #66 November 11, 2005 "Hello Asia....heres some more oil for you " Hello Halliburton, here's another contract for you.....-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #67 November 11, 2005 QuoteHello Halliburton, here's another contract for you..... Hey Naciepoo... can you puyt in a good word for me... I put in for a job in Afghanistan and have not heard anything back yet... I figured what the hell... at least over there I am EXPECTING everyone around to be trying to stab me in the back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
