For those that say that Wilson lying is defense for Libby lying about Plame.

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Yes...it's a convoluted subject title, but so is your argument.

Anyway....

Italian secret services warned the United States months before it invaded Iraq that a dossier about a purported Saddam Hussein effort to buy uranium in Africa was fake, a lawmaker said Thursday after a briefing by the nation's intelligence chief.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13070935.htm

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Could you post the story? I don't want to register just to read it. Thanks.

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WTF?! this was public knowledge a month before Bush dropped the words into the state of the union speech - my jaw hit the floor when he had the balls to say it.

Hell, I've mentioned it a bunch of times here as have others. Here's mine -

here
here
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"In the rest of the world the story was followed from it's inception (with a european journalist being 'leaked' the documents in the early 90s) through to the rumors and then the followup. In the majority of the world the Niger story is accepted as being dead, a nasty situation regarding the italian secret service and finally someone just trying to cover their ass. "


The problem is that there are a large band of people screaming 'i'mnotlisteningi'mnotlistening' and ignoring the fact that this was headline news everywhere except the US for several months.

The frustrating thing about this remains the fact that the entire ordeal has been politicised to the ponit where no one is ever going to believe it one way or the other (which I think was the entire point of the sheer amount of noise created on the topic, as it effectively removes the 'smoking gun' regarding the shoddy intelligence effort from play.)

Either way, before the left/right bullshit started this story was blown wide open by most experts in the intelligence field.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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Either way, before the left/right bullshit started this story was blown wide open by most experts in the intelligence field.

Somebody give this man a trophy. Dead on.

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Could you post the story? I don't want to register just to read it. Thanks.

No, that would be illegal. It's an AP feed though, google it.

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Yeah...I know...the point is that now the pro-traitor group that support Libby are trying to say that Plame deserved it because Wilson was making shit up to discredit the pres. (I've yet to see what his motive would be for that). Obviously, Wilson wasn't making shit up.

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ROME - Italy denied allegations Wednesday that it gave the United States and Britain false documents suggesting that Saddam Hussein had been seeking uranium in Africa, helping justify the case for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

The documents in question detailed a purported Iraqi deal to buy 500 tons of uranium yellowcake from Niger, a claim the United States and Britain used to try to prove Saddam Hussein was seeking to develop weapons of mass destruction.

The government's denial came one day after officials said Nicolo Pollari, the director of the SISMI intelligence agency, would be questioned about the case Nov. 3 by members of a parliamentary commission overseeing secret services.

Premier Silvio Berlusconi's office "categorically" refuted claims reported in a series of articles this week by daily newspaper La Repubblica that SISMI passed on to the U.S. government and Britain a dossier it knew was forged.

"The facts that are narrated ... do not correspond to the truth," the government said in a statement in which it reiterated denials it had any "direct or indirect involvement in the packaging and delivery of the 'false dossier on Niger's uranium.'"

Some of the intelligence supporting the claim that Saddam was seeking uranium in Africa was later deemed unreliable.

La Repubblica claimed that after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks Pollari was under pressure from Berlusconi — a firm U.S. ally — to make a strong contribution to the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The newspaper is a strong opponent of Berlusconi.

Is this the story??

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Is this the story??

CRIMINAL!!!

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The level of ass-covering is unreal, and this article misses the facts and the point.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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That's half of it. Your post conveniently excludes the part about the Italian Secret Service notifying Bush in 1/03 that the information was false.

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That's half of it. Your post conveniently excludes the part about the Italian Secret Service notifying Bush in 1/03 that the information was false.

Oh...that must not be the right story then. Sorry!

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Old story. Go back and follow the time line from my other post.

And I have not seen anyone say Libby is inocent because Wilson is a lier (and he is)

I did say what Wilson says has no credability but the left and media love him because they think they can get to GWB through the Libby indectiment.

I do want to know what you think about the 500 tons of nuclear material they did find in Iraq however.


See, I can change the direction too!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Didn't take long to get to the name calling and labeling

Good bye.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>I do want to know what you think about the 500 tons of nuclear
>material they did find in Iraq however.

It had been declared to the IAEA per the terms of his surrender, and the IAEA had sealed the vault that contained it. Then we invaded, broke the seals, and left it open. The next time we checked it was gone.

I'm sure you'll blame Wilson for that, too. Perhaps it's in his garage.

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There was that ore too!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Oooohhhhh, the plot thickens

(sorry, I had to come back to name calling after I found the following)

I will be fun to watch this discussion die when Libby is aquitted.


Thursday, Nov. 3, 2005 10:17 a.m. EST
Questions Raised about Tim Russert's Story


NBC Washington bureau chief Tim Russert told Leakgate probers that he had no idea Joe Wilson's wife Valerie Plame was a CIA employee before her name surfaced in Robert Novak's fateful July 14, 2003 column, and that he was stunned upon learning that Lewis "Scooter" Libby claimed he got that information from him.

But an account by senior NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell raises questions about whether Mr. Russert may have known about Plame's employment well before the Novak column.

On Oct. 3, 2003, Mitchell was a guest on CNBC's now-defunct "Capital Report," where she was asked by host Alan Murray:

"Do we have any idea how widely known it was in Washington that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA?"

Mitchell replied: "It was widely known among those of us who cover the intelligence community and who were actively engaged in trying to track down who among the foreign service community was the envoy to Niger. So a number of us began to pick up on that."
Mitchell's "widely known" characterization flatly contradicts assertions last Friday by Leakgate Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who repeatedly insisted that Plame's association with the CIA "was not widely known."

But perhaps more importantly, if Plame's work was an open secret in media circles [according to Mitchell], how is it that her boss, Mr. Russert, who - as NBC Washington bureau chief was presumably monitoring developments in "the intelligence community" as they related to the Wilson story - would have been oblivious to this same "widely known" information?

In fact, according to the text of Fitzgerald's indictment, Libby's version of events more closely matches Mitchell's on the subject of who knew about Plame's employment.

Fitzgerald said Libby claimed:

"During a conversation with Tim Russert of NBC News on July 10 or 11, 2003, Russert asked LIBBY if LIBBY was aware that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA. LIBBY responded to Russert that he did not know that, and Russert replied that all


the reporters knew it." [Page 11 of Libby's Indictment]
None of this means that Mr. Libby actually told the truth and that Fitzgerald's star witness against him, Tim Russert, perhaps didn't.

But Mr. Russert might want to clear the air and explain how he managed to stay in the dark about key information in a case that was the talk of the town in early July 2003 - while the same information was "widely known," according a senior reporter who worked under him.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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If it's true, I wonder how many of those who have been condemning Libby, will call for Russert to be charged with obstruction?

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source?

and so Libby's story matches Mitchell's?

Libby, the guy who is under indictment for LYING, matches mitchell's?

Is that what you are saying?

Gonna have to wait on this one. If true, I will join in on the call for a russert indictment, GM.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Ever just get that gnawing feeling there's a lot more to this story we don't know yet?

-The CIA Intel on WMDs was apparently wrong and Plame work on WMD Intel.

-Why would Italian Intel present forged documents that are easily debunked?

Etc...

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Ever just get that gnawing feeling there's a lot more to this story we don't know yet?

-The CIA Intel on WMDs was apparently wrong and Plame work on WMD Intel.

-Why would Italian Intel present forged documents that are easily debunked?

Etc...

Dude there is a lot more to EVERYTHING that we just don't know about.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Ever just get that gnawing feeling there's a lot more to this story we don't know yet?

One of my chief complaints about people's drawing "definite" () conclusions about matters concerning intelligence collection operations.

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Ever just get that gnawing feeling there's a lot more to this story we don't know yet?

-The CIA Intel on WMDs was apparently wrong and Plame work on WMD Intel.

-Why would Italian Intel present forged documents that are easily debunked?

Etc...

Dude there is a lot more to EVERYTHING that we just don't know about.

...and never will...

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I got the story from newsmax. Same place the following story came from.

If the story is true then Libby is inocent and Russert should be charged>

.......and the Libby thingy is not political

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/4/55808.shtml

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

..found it....
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/3/102415.shtml

and I got chewed out once saying a story was old because the address has archives in in.

....all of the newsmax links have that with the date behind it.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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If Russert lied, he should be charged too. But I don't see how any of this has to do wtih Libby lying or speaking to reporters about it. Sometimes classified info is known in media circles. But they can't publish it until they get confirmation from officials. Libby provided confirmation of leaked classified info. I see no difference between that and leaking it himself.