QuoteI don't know what evil lurks in his heart, but I still appreciate his sentiment that he holds no ill feelings toward anyone here.
Walt
I appreciate the sentiment. Unfortunately, I doubt its veracity. I guess my feeling is that if you do things that obviously hurt people, and you neither apologize nor cease and desist, it is a significant indication of your character, regardless of the lip service paid to holding no ill feelings.
rl
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb
QuoteSomeone recently accused me of kissing your ass after one of my postings in SC.
rotflmao! It must have been someone who isn't aware that we had this mutual adoration thingie going for a long, long time before dz.com even existed.
If you're going to kiss my ass, though, better you should do it in person next time.
rl
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb
QuoteQuoteSomeone recently accused me of kissing your ass after one of my postings in SC.
rotflmao! It must have been someone who isn't aware that we had this mutual adoration thingie going for a long, long time before dz.com even existed.
If you're going to kiss my ass, though, better you should do it in person next time.
rl
You've gotta deal.
Walt
DaVinci 0
I think anything taken to extreme is bad. And yes that includes religion and skydiving. I would think most would agree that extremists are anoying. I find the extreme in anything to be anoying.
My favorites?
People who claim to be ecco friendly but don't show it in their deeds.
People who claim that places like Walmart are bad, but at the same time have houses filled with stuff made from China bought at other shops.
Religion is like noise for most people. The level up to and including mine is OK, anything else is too much.
But I see this more as a case for people being in an area that should have been marked off limits before, but since Bush 41 was there it recieved more attention.
My favorites?
People who claim to be ecco friendly but don't show it in their deeds.
People who claim that places like Walmart are bad, but at the same time have houses filled with stuff made from China bought at other shops.
Religion is like noise for most people. The level up to and including mine is OK, anything else is too much.
But I see this more as a case for people being in an area that should have been marked off limits before, but since Bush 41 was there it recieved more attention.
DaVinci 0
QuoteThere is a degree of racism involved (i.e. arabs are generally muslim) but this case was about religious, not race, discrimination.
Pops jumper said it best in a post just a few up from yours.
QuoteWhere's the racism?
"...a group of gentlemen gathering in an area not normally used by the public right near the main air intake duct for the stadium, and a food preparation facility," Siegel said. "It was where they were, not what they were doing."
The site is now fenced off and is no longer accessible to fans."
Playing the race card is not appropriate in this case.
And playing the religious persecution is wrong as well. Only people with an agenda and trying to see religious persecution will find it in this story.
If the area remained open to the public, I could see it. Or if they put a big "No Muslims" sign there.
But in this case it seems to be a security issue that was larger than normal due to Bush41 being there.
rehmwa 2
QuoteWhat's really wrong with being pc? It's not much more than being considerate of the opinions and sensitivities of others.
That's the rub. Maybe it started with good intentions, but it's really just an attempt to establish a very 'specific', politically leaning, code of conduct on all people and is extremely intolerant of anything else - sometimes evens to the point of physical and verbal violence. It is extremely biased against certain 'normal' behaviors.
The hypocrisy and arrogance of it is really intense. And simple courtesy and morals would do the job much better anyway.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
QuoteQuoteWhat's really wrong with being pc? It's not much more than being considerate of the opinions and sensitivities of others.
That's the rub. Maybe it started with good intentions, but it's really just an attempt to establish a very 'specific', politically leaning, code of conduct on all people and is extremely intolerant of anything else - sometimes evens to the point of physical and verbal violence. It is extremely biased against certain 'normal' behaviors.
The hypocrisy and arrogance of it is really intense. And simple courtesy and morals would do the job much better anyway.
WooooHoooo! Well said, I think.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
ReBirth 0
I don't disagree, when talking about the extremists in that area. Problem is that some people aren't capable of simple courtesy or morals. Give them a nudge by pointing out when they're being insensitive to others sometimes help. Passing laws forcing people to be PC is ridiculous and wrong, but letting someone know that they're saying some rude or insulting things (maybe they honestly don't know they're doing it) shouldn't be a problem.
rehmwa 2
QuotePassing laws forcing people to be PC is ridiculous and wrong.
You don't believe this is happening? Or that's the intent of more than just the 'extremists'?
I do, it's scary. We have the equivalent of thought police on both the right and the left. It's funny how some people are only scared of those on the 'other' side. I'm terrified of both.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
ReBirth 0
No...I do know it happens. And I agree that it's wrong from both sides. But I got jumped on for pointing out that a post displayed insensitivity and disregard for different cultures. I wasn't trying to pass a law. Just pointing out crassness.
You've sure been a big help to me in becoming a lot less thinned-skinned, and I'm certainly happier for it. I still stand firm in my beliefs and convictions, but do not feel threatened by anyone who disagrees with me anymore. So there is at least one good thing that came from SC
Mrs. WaltAppel
All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28
All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28
DaVinci 0
QuoteProblem is that some people aren't capable of simple courtesy or morals.
Yes, but that is not race or religion specific.
I have met assholes from all walks of life
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Good behavior is the result of proper upbringing. Something that is terrible today no matter what color a persons skin is.
PC in theory is great. Treating people based on who they are, and having tolarence in the differences. However, it often seems that "PC" is most times used for everyone but white people.
For example. The Wayens brothers made a movie called "White Girls". In that movie black men dressed as white women. It made fun of white women. Was that PC? Could that movie been made with white men dressing as black women and making fun of them?
"Greenfield explains his use of blackface icons this way: "These images have haunted us for a very very long time -- unless we exorcise the demons that these images have conjured up, we'll never really be free."
And in some ways, he says, the crude and outlandish images and behavior that typified the minstrel show are still evident in hip-hop and black comedy. "They're bagging and sagging -- they got the hats turned around, they got the whole thing," Greenfield says." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1919122
So its OK for Blacks to make fun of Blacks. Its OK for Blacks to make fun of Whites. However, comedy based on Whites making fun of Blacks is racist.
"Initially, blackface performers were part of travelling troupes that performed in minstrel shows. In addition to music and dance, minstrel shows featured comical skits in which performers portrayed buffoonish, lazy, superstitious black characters who were cowardly and lascivious, lusted after white women, who stole, lied pathologically, and mangled the English language." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface
How is that different than many of todays shows? I just saw a skit on MADTV where a black talkshow host was only interested in if you had "Hit" famous women.
The problem with PC I think is that it only seems to work one way. I personally find shows like "White Chicks" to be racist. I also find them to be funny. The difference is that if I got upset and tried to start troube over "White Chicks" no one would listen to my concerns.
However, imagine the audience for the lynching of the White comics that dressed as Black women and made fun of them.
That is the problem with "PC". Until the day that either both situations are OK, or both are taboo...PC is nothing more than a word that is used when people who are looking to start trouble.
ReBirth 0
QuoteHowever, comedy based on Whites making fun of Blacks is racist.
Not true at all. It just comes off as whites making fun of other whites that act black
Walt
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