The war supporters. What are our troops dying for?

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mmm. Perhaps you (as in you alone) think we can't do nothing to them politcally. Your opinion, not mine.

We can, yet no one wants to work in unison (as it is impossible) on this problem.

Then why don't you guys share what that mignt be? Instead of attacking fellow citizens and accusing them of supporting terrorism based on faulty logic. The irony is the conservatives are constantly bitching about liberals saying liberals don't have any ideas, just criticism. Meanwhile, all they do is criticise our criticism. At least we direct it at the people in power. The people that supposedly WORK FOR US. Last time I checked, I didn't employ any terrorists. I do, however, employ the people in gov't that are making these retarded decisions.

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I see, now it's abouts US troops attacking US citizens. Is that right? Are you so sensitive that an honest opinion gives you the idea of an ATTACK?.

All I said, is that it definitely seems that terrorists get a free hand, in comparison with the US sided criticism of GWB and what he is doing with our troops.
I see you voice your outrage against the administration more often than (if you ever) you critize the terrorists for what they are doing, and how the do it. Have a good one man.

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I see, now it's abouts US troops attacking US citizens. Is that right? Are you so sensitive that an honest opinion gives you the idea of an ATTACK?.

You said that me and others condone terrorism by our lack of complaining about it. That's insulting, disgusting, and wrong. Yeah...that's an attack. I don't know WTF you're talking about us troops. I just sent a care package today to a stranger in Iraq because I saw him post on here. That's how I feel about US Troops...support them 100%. I'm sick and tired of being accused of hating the troops, or loving terrorists just because I think Bush is doing a horrible job. Those are the leaps of judgment I'm talking about.

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What is to say your ideas would be any better if YOU were in power?

events change and ideas change with the context - bad luck forces ideas to be changed.

Could you make any easier decisions that werent "retarded"?

Easy to criticise, noone seems to appreciate that . Actually do it - another story.

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And the leaps in judgements I'm talking about, is twisting one words, and attempting to make them an attack, insult, which is disgusting, and wrong.

I think it is a sad situation where it seems to be more emphasis put on depricating an administration, instead of having more complaints/outrage against terrorism. At least to where it could seem balanced, at least more inclined against terrorism....

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Whatever...like I said, you guys just criticise us for criticising the administration. Where are your brilliant ideas? Our criticism is of the people making the decisions. Yours is of us...because...why?

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>I think it is a sad situation where it seems to be more emphasis
>put on depricating an administration, instead of having more
>complaints/outrage against terrorism.

And I think it's sad that some people seem to place far more importance on defending torture and treason, and spinning other people's mistakes into noble and wise actions, than on fighting terrorism. If both sides would stop the incessant posturing a lot more would get done in this country.

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I don't have any complaints. I served. And just enjoying home again.

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We have to make sure we have control in the Middle East, Eastern Europe and Asia. As China grows, they will attempt to spread their influence to these regions. And it's all about energy.

It's going to be even more critical as the Yuan rises in value...allowing China to buy energy cheaper than the United States.

It's about securing our standard of living for the next fifty years. And doing at a time that China cannot project its influence at any distance other than economically.

Get in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary

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My criticism, (not meant in the wrong way) is that people who do criticsie the govt, i mean it is good to, otherwise it would be a brainwashed society, is the lack of understanding of some liberals yes.

they criticise about things that have gone wrong which could have been just bad luck, and not the administration's fault.

I have no doubt that Bush does dodgy tricks, but im prepared to look over them becuase IMHO he is an active president who does his best for his country - better than clinton who spent his time under a desk.

Another reason , and this is a criticism of all voters in every country who judge on this - in UK people liek blair cos he has the "looks", clinton was a glamarous president .

Some people are fooled by that, and that is just .. well... dumb.

And that includes those who voted for Anrie in Cali as governor, even though it benefited Bush!!!

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It's about securing our standard of living for the next fifty years. And doing at a time that China cannot project its influence at any distance other than economically.

Yeah, but maybe, just maybe, some other countries will not want to lower their standard of living so you guys can secure yours. And what will you do? call them terrorists and start a war?

An intelligent, honest government would put all the reources so that the country´s standard of living is not based solely on a single depleting resource.
But what can you expect when some individuals in the government has so much money to make...

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It's about securing our standard of living for the next fifty years. And doing at a time that China cannot project its influence at any distance other than economically.

Other nations manage to get along with very nice standards of living without going to war. It may be one way to go about it, but it's not the only one.

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>It's about securing our standard of living for the next fifty years. And
>doing at a time that China cannot project its influence at any
>distance other than economically.

I am hoping that we will have leaders in the future who see China as a partner rather than an enemy. If you truly believe it's us vs. them, it will become us vs. them. And we can't win a war with China.

The oil will run out. Using it all up so your grandkids have none is, IMO, selfish. If we're lucky, we will elect leaders who find alternatives to going to war over a dwindling resource.

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>It's about securing our standard of living for the next fifty years. And
>doing at a time that China cannot project its influence at any
>distance other than economically.

I am hoping that we will have leaders in the future who see China as a partner rather than an enemy. If you truly believe it's us vs. them, it will become us vs. them. And we can't win a war with China.

The oil will run out. Using it all up so your grandkids have none is, IMO, selfish. If we're lucky, we will elect leaders who find alternatives to going to war over a dwindling resource.

That's great, as long as China has leaders that see us the same way.
Those who beat their weapons into plows will plow for those who didn't.

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What is to say your ideas would be any better if YOU were in power?

well he'd be far ahead of GWB if he started by actually listening to the real experts and not sidelining, ignoring, publicly degrading and then firing those who disagreed with his preconceived ideas and plans...

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>Those who beat their weapons into plows will plow for those who didn't.

So the USSR's beating all their plows into weapons worked for them, eh? We plow well for Mother Russia, comrade!

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>Those who beat their weapons into plows will plow for those who didn't.

So the USSR's beating all their plows into weapons worked for them, eh? We plow well for Mother Russia, comrade!

Ah, another famous Billvon non sequitur?

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>Ah, another famous Billvon non sequitur?

Russia "beat their plowshares into swords" and lost the "war" to a country that had a lot more plowshares. Indeed, the impact to the rest of their economy from doing that is one of the things that did them in. So your saying doesn't hold, at least in recent history.

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>Ah, another famous Billvon non sequitur?

Russia "beat their plowshares into swords" and lost the "war" to a country that had a lot more plowshares. Indeed, the impact to the rest of their economy from doing that is one of the things that did them in. So your saying doesn't hold, at least in recent history.

Perhaps a contemporary anomaly yet to be proven. History shows the opposite.
Perhaps an unnecessary distraction from the main point.
Doesn't change the fact that China will need to have leaders who see us as a partner for it to be mutually beneficial. I hope so, but I'm skeptical.
Where is Richard Nixon when you need him?

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>Doesn't change the fact that China will need to have leaders who see us
>as a partner for it to be mutually beneficial.

I agree. Part of that will be up to us. If we are seen as a threat, or a cutthroat competitor for a dwindling resource, then militant anti-US leaders will be more successful pushing their programs. The opposite is true as well, of course - if _they_ start rattling their sabres, we will respond by getting more militant.

So far we've done a fairly good job of not provoking each other, aside from the occasional downed aircraft. Hopefully we will continue.

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I am hoping that we will have leaders in the future who see China as a partner rather than an enemy. If you truly believe it's us vs. them, it will become us vs. them. And we can't win a war with China.

The oil will run out. Using it all up so your grandkids have none is, IMO, selfish. If we're lucky, we will elect leaders who find alternatives to going to war over a dwindling resource.

Well said!

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>your point is?

Just that Cheney is being paid by a company that is getting lots of lucrative government contracts. I am sure you will not see that as a problem; others do.

Cheney is being paid as part of a SEPARATION PACKAGE. If you've got an accusation to make, rather than innuendo, then make it and provide proof.

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>your point is?

Just that Cheney is being paid by a company that is getting lots of lucrative government contracts. I am sure you will not see that as a problem; others do.

Cheney is being paid as part of a SEPARATION PACKAGE. If you've got an accusation to make, rather than innuendo, then make it and provide proof.

Ya know, my fraternity alumni advisor just "retired" last year. Guess what? He still has influence and gets called on for advice.

I am NOT saying Cheney IS in league, but if you think that a severence package means that all ties REALLY have been severed, well that is a little naive.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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I am NOT saying Cheney IS in league, but if you think that a severence package means that all ties REALLY have been severed, well that is a little naive.

Is he then guilty before proven innocent just because of the severance?

That's the real question he's arguing, verses a statemnt that just having a previous connection automatically defines guilt of some sort.

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