BROOKS: WHY ARE DEMS SO OVERHEATED? (opinion)

[rushmc 23]

The fact is that neither side these days likes to do anything but be partisan.
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....but which party do you think sets the tone?

Hell, Kennedy wrote the education bill and then said it was bad! (and don't go to the funding argument because that is bullshit)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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The planet I am on is not hard to figure out. Nor is the thought that your eyes and mind may be closed?

Oh, and Clinton's problem was not a sex scandle. That is what his spin machine and his lapdog media lovers made it out to be.

If Bush was accused of sexual harasment you would want his head on a platter whether or not he was guilty

you're too funny. I'm the closed minded one? I'm the one who's defended some of Bush's decisions with regards to Iraq. You're the one claiming that he runs an open armed administration. And if you think the media was kind to Clinton...rotflmao.

But unlike you, I'm willing to reconsider my thinking.

[rushmc 23]

Search my posts. There have been times I have changed my mind

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[GTAVercetti 0]

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The fact is that neither side these days likes to do anything but be partisan.
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....but which party do you think sets the tone?

Hell, Kennedy wrote the education bill and then said it was bad! (and don't go to the funding argument because that is bullshit)

The minority party, doesn't matter what you label them. Whoever is weaker. simple.

Its like creationist. The MAJORITY of the scientific community believe in the idea of evolution and that our world is millions of years old...but if you listen to the hoopla, you would think there is some great schism going on. That is because the creationist, who are actually a SMALL minority, are EXTREMELY vocal.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[crwtom 0]

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It would have been interesting to see what Clintons "numbers" would have been had we a media that hated him as much as they hate GWB.

But in a realm of numbers, how about this one.

A LexisNexis search shows that the media reported over 37,000 times that the Libby charges were for the outing of a covert CIA agent. 1) There was not "outing" and 2) Libby was not charged with leaking the name of a covert CIA agent.

Yeah, Libby was charged with committing perjury in an
investigation that examined why and how a CIA agent was
outed. With that, he is at least indirectly charged with obstructing
the efforts of investigators to get to get to the ground of and
the rectify a serious matter of national security and prevent this
from happening again.

The condensation of these circumstance into the suggested
simplified headlines is of course legally incorrect. Aside from the
natural tendency of any second tier media to oversimplify there
are, however, a few more reasons why the media is not handling
the Libby affair with delicacy and velvet gloves - and you don't
have to resort to the a conspiracy theory of a media in the control
of evil liberals.

For one, Libby wasn't very nice to media recently himself. He let
a (even relatively conservative) NYT reporter rost in jail for nearly
three months. Also one of his (alledged) lies was an attempt to
stick the leakage-dirty onto Tim Russert, one of the most
respected media people, in order to save his own skin (in a pretty
stupid way may I add). All this is not a way to make friends with
media no matter what your political conviction

Another reason is just the gut-common-sense-hardball-whatever
thing that sells well in the media world. If it is proved that Libby
committed perjury the next question to ask is why and what did
he have to hide? It is not entirely absurd to hope/expect/fear that
more dirt will be unearthed and for those, and for those earning
their money with this kind of news it smells like a small or not so
small gold mine.

Quite generally, media is a business like anything else. There's
some institution, ciumstance, group etc A that generates news
and then there is an audioence B that is interested in learning
about the news. The media makes money reporting A to B. It
is not quite plausible why only liberal should have the business
sense to do so.

If there is anything to your perception it means that either
conservative journalists are not up to the jpb, or that most of the
A that is produced is not what they want to report about (such as
the Bush Admin producing bad news) and/or a lot more B, that
is people paying money to read the news and get informed, is on
the liberal side than on the conservative side.

Cheers, T

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Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true

[rushmc 23]

Again, no one was outed. Fitzgerald knew very early in the investigation that no one was outed. That is why he asked to expand the investigation.

No national security issue or any thing close

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

> Again, no one was outed.

The US Department of Justice does not agree with you. The indictment is here if you want to read it yourself. Some excerpts:

At all relevant times from January 1, 2002 through July 2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and her employment status was classified. Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson’s affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community. . . .

On or about September 26, 2003, the Department of Justice authorized the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) to commence a criminal investigation into the possible unauthorized disclosure of classified information regarding the disclosure of Valerie Wilson’s affiliation with the CIA to various reporters in the spring of 2003.

[rushmc 23]

Read the counts of the indictement. None of them say that the law related to outing a covert CIA agent was broken.

One more time. No one has been charged with breaking the law that outed a "covert" CIA agent.

The statements Fitzgerald gives raised some eyebrows because to the way he word smithed this issue.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

billvon,
below is an excert from the transcript of the Fitzgerald news conference as well as the link.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/28/politics/28text-fitz.html?pagewanted=all


"And with that, I'll take questions.


Mr. Fitzgerald, this began as a leak investigation but no one is charged with any leaking. Is your investigation finished? Is this another leak investigation that doesn't lead to a charge of leaking?


FITZGERALD: Let me answer the two questions you asked in one.


OK, is the investigation finished? It's not over, but I'll tell you this: Very rarely do you bring a charge in a case that's going to be tried and would you ever end a grand jury investigation.


I can tell you, the substantial bulk of the work in this investigation is concluded.



This grand jury's term has expired by statute; it could not be extended. But it's in ordinary course to keep a grand jury open to consider other matters, and that's what we will be doing.


Let me then ask your next question: Well, why is this a leak investigation that doesn't result in a charge? I've been trying to think about how to explain this, so let me try. I know baseball analogies are the fad these days. Let me try something."

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

Hmm. Would you be OK with the investigation failing to uncover the reason a US intelligence agent was outed? Personally, that would bother me. Someone harmed the US for political reasons and got away with it. The next time it happens, that agent might be in the field, and we might have an agent (or several) killed because of someone's desire for power.

[EricTheRed 0]

Do you get paid by the post or by the response?

If it's the latter, you're welcome for my contribution.

illegible usually

[rushmc 23]

billvon, Joe Wilson was taking his wife (the outed CIA agent) to dinners and introducing her as working for the CIA

Before any news papar account.

You got the political part correct but you are looking at if from the wrong side.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>billvon, Joe Wilson was taking his wife (the outed CIA agent) to
>dinners and introducing her as working for the CIA . . .

You watching FOX again? That claim was made by Libby. The prosecutor actually sent people to her neighborhood and asked around to see if anyone knew she worked for the CIA. No one did.

It's a nice try though. It would have been funny to see such a standard applied to recent espionage cases - "Yeah, I sold nuclear secrets to China. But EVERYONE knows China has nuclear weapons anyway, so what's the big deal?"

[rushmc 23]

Not from FOX but here is a source.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/217wnmrb.asp?pg=1

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

Where does that say anything about her being outed by her husband?

[GTAVercetti 0]

I may have missed something, because I skimmed as it was mostly about the uranium but here is a sentence I found:

"The CIA concluded that the reference had compromised Plame's undercover status and asked the Justice Department to investigate. "

If there is some other reference, please correct me.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[rushmc 23]

I have been in such a damed hurry today I may not have found the one I posted of. While looking I came across this. Anybody used this site before?

http://www.newsbackup.com/about816254.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

ON CAPITOL HILL
Drafter of intel statute:
Rove accusers ignorant
Lawyer who wrote law to protect agents says Plame charge doesn't meet
standard
Posted: July 14, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Art Moore
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Democrat leaders and editorialists accusing Karl Rove of treason for
referring to CIA agent Valerie Plame in an off-the-record interview are
ignorant of the law, according to the Washington attorney who spearheaded
the legislation at the center of the controversy.

Plame's circumstances don't meet several of the criteria spelled out in a
1982 statute designed not only to protect the identity of intelligence
agents but to maintain the media's ability to hold government accountable,
Victoria Toensing told WorldNetDaily.

Toensing - who drafted the legislation in her role as chief counsel for the
chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence - says the Beltway
frenzy surrounding Plame's alleged "outing" as a covert agent is a story
arising out of the capital's "silly season."

"The hurricane season started early and so did the August silly stories,"
Toensing said. "What is it that qualifies as a story here?"

Democrat leaders are accusing Rove of exposing Plame's identity as an act of
retribution against her husband Joe Wilson, who returned from a CIA
assignment to Niger with a report disputing the administration's suspicion
that Iraq wanted to acquire uranium from the African nation.

Toensing, now a private attorney in Washington, says Plame most likely was
not a covert agent when Rove referred to her in a 2003 interview with Time
magazine's Matt Cooper.

The federal code says the agent must have operated outside the United States
within the previous five years. But Plame gave up her role as a covert agent
nine years before the Rove interview, according to New York Times columnist
Nicholas Kristof.

Kristof said the CIA brought Plame back to Washington in 1994 because the
agency suspected her undercover security had been compromised by turncoat
spy Aldrich Ames.

Moreover, asserts Toensing, for the law to be violated, Rove would have had
to intentionally reveal Plame's identity with the knowledge that he was
disclosing a covert agent.

Toensing believes Rove's waiver allowing reporters testifying before the
grand jury to reveal him as a source - signed more than 18 months ago -
shows the Bush strategist did not believe he was violating the law.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

> While looking I came across this.

A fine "attack the victim" site. Will the next site you find prove Plame is a slut, and deserved it?

[mnealtx 0]

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> While looking I came across this.

A fine "attack the victim" site. Will the next site you find prove Plame is a slut, and deserved it?

Sounds like Wilson did a little perjury of his own, doesn't it?

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