Those kookie Iranians...

[j0nes 0]

You really have to love a country that seems to be trying to break the nuclear NPT and then goes around saying that Israel should be "wiped off the map".

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4382594.stm)

[SudsyFist 0]

Wow. Guess some folks are missing Khatami right about now.

[Channman 2]

It also proves why they are not interested in peace.

[Mike111 0]

Interesting to see what the action is set aside from condemnation that has alreayd happaned.

What happens if Iran folows this radical path even more? what action?

only guessing but a future war maybe simmering here.

I hope im wrong.

[SudsyFist 0]

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It also proves why they are not interested in peace.

It's rhetoric, dude. Inciteful rhetoric.

You can apply your argument to rhetoric from all sides. This piece (at least how it's been reported) just happens to be more vile.

[shropshire 0]

Here we go again... incitement from both sides.... <> didn't say thay they want Israel wiped off the face of the map..

One cannt go around blaming a complete country because of the actions of some of its citizens... How daft would that be?

I mean what sort of nutter would invade another country because a couple of people in that country said some stupid things ...... Nah.... It could happen

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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One cannt go around blaming a complete country because of the actions of some of its citizens... How daft would that be?

one that citizen also happens to be the country's leader AND is in charge of the army AND is trying to develop nukes.... it's time to hold the country responsible.

[shropshire 0]

Haaaa.. Works both ways

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[artistcalledian 0]

i blame england for this mess.... we decided to help the jews have a homeland back in the late 40's

how would you feel if you was an arab living in your own country, and then all of a sudden, people come along and say "this is our land now, you've got to get out.... we think its our land because our religeon has decided this is our spiritual home...and since most of us have been wiped out by the holocaust, you owe it to us to give us what we want"..... and thats basically what happened

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[kelpdiver 2]

nah, once again the French are to blame for giving Israel the bomb.

[Mike111 0]

Islam though has always hated the jewish race though , if my memory serves me right?

[Mike111 0]

Agreed some of the population don't agree with him, but I would bet that a fair majority are so fundamentalist that they wouldn't mind it happening.

iran is one of the msot fudnamentaliust Islamic countries, wouldn't you agree?

[shropshire 0]

Back at ya....

Agreed some of the population don't agree with GWB, but I would bet that a fair majority are so fundamentalist that they wouldn't mind it happening.

America is one of the msot fundamentalist Christian countries, wouldn't you agree?

2 side of a very similar coin......

There

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one that citizen also happens to be the country's leader AND is in charge of the army AND is trying to develop nukes.... it's time to hold the country responsible.

Would you want to be judged by the actions of your President? How about eight years ago?

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[Mike111 0]

i agree, good question!!!

But, Iran poses more of a threat to us in our eyes, the same as america's "fundamentalism" would to them.

Fair?

(what about a double headed coin?? that would give some interesting answers!!!)

Cheers,

Mike

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Islam though has always hated the jewish race though , if my memory serves me right?

It might seem that way because of recent events but

Islam is the ONLY religion that accepts Jews and Christians and believes all who believe in one god will be forgiven for there sins and find there way to heaven. Unlike the Jews and Catholics who think they are the only chosen people who will go to heaven. Islam compared to other religions is the most modern and most fair religion. Again if you take the core of the other religions. I understand due to political pursuer a lot of what has been known as sins for Jews and Christians has changed making them seem more “open minded”.


As for the Iranian president. Unfortunately every thing you think of him is true. He is bad news.

The people had to choose between Rafsanjonie and him if the people had their way both would be in jail. Most people did not even go to vote as a sign of protest.

Iranian democratic elections are not like here. There is a committee that goes trew candidates and chooses witch ones will be allowed to go on the ballot. To say the committee is filled with fanatic people and corruption is an understatement.


As for Israel it has nothing to do with religion in my eyes. I hate the Israeli government and see them as murderers. I would feel the same way about the Israelis no matter what their religion.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Islam is the ONLY religion that accepts Jews and Christians and believes all who believe in one god will be forgiven for there sins and find there way to heaven. Unlike the Jews and Catholics who think they are the only chosen people who will go to heaven. Islam compared to other religions is the most modern and most fair religion. Again if you take the core of the other religions. I understand due to political pursuer a lot of what has been known as sins for Jews and Christians has changed making them seem more “open minded”.

Seems hard to believe - especially considering all the Islamic martyrs that are marching happily into heaven as suicide bombers.

If we take what you say as true, that Islam accepts all religions, then where did this martyr thing come from? Does it have roots in Islamic teaching or not?

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[shropshire 0]

<> - Yes, sort of... it's all down to perspective... is it a real danger or are we scared of shadows? I'm not sure that it is...... sort of reminds me of the crap that was spouted about the True a Present danger that Iraq poised to America (even if they had, had WMDs they still had no viable delivery mechanism).

The bigest fear is of fear it's self!

What are we in the west really scared of? Certainly not the low?level losses caused by terrorists.... The bigest thing that should scare us is the loss of personal liberty (for our own best interests) imposed by our own self motivated governments and their big industrial mates!

Riddle me this batman...
How many people/year have been killed due to acts of terrorism and how much has been spent/year to wage this 'war'... how much profit have some companies made off the back of it?

.vs.

How many people/year have been killed by smoking/drugs/traffic etc and how much as been spent/year to counter these deaths etc... etc...


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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Darius11 12]

I do mean at the core.
Islam came after Judaism, and Christianity. Muslims believe in Christ and Moses.

In Islam as I believe it is the same in other religions. If you give your life to save others or for God you are believed to go to heaven. Suicide is a sin.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Mike111 0]

Didn't the Pope however also proclaim religous tolerance marking acceptance of other faiths to??

I certainly disagree about Islam being the most modern - the treatment of women is aboslutely atrocious - having to cover themselves up?? that is ridiculous.

Agreed about the president of Iran and how little choice the citizens have. Bit like the president of syria and his involvment in the assination of the former PM (i forget the country, Lebanon maybe?)

my oppinion of Islam isnt a go at you at all, but the Israelis - i support them and their actions against the Palestians, although i do sypmathise with their cause. I guess they are AS BAD AS EACH OTHER AT TIMES. suicide bombers - fucking out of order. Military incursion every other minute - sometimes unfair.

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I do mean at the core.
Islam came after Judaism, and Christianity. Muslims believe in Christ and Moses.

In Islam as I believe it is the same in other religions. If you give your life to save others or for God you are believed to go to heaven. Suicide is a sin.

I don't think this answers the question about suicide bombers and if Islam encourages this behavior. The suicide bombers are not saving anyone, they are killing people on buses and in markets.

I still don't understand the martyr thing and at this time it only appears to be Islam that promotes it. Something about a bunch of virgins waiting for martyrs in heaven. (Doesn't say much about Islam's value of women either but that's another discussion)

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[Mike111 0]

Fair point about the number of deaths and the amount spent, but it is about what the public care0 ahh i see the fear point. the public rather have more money spent on terrorism casue they fear it so the govt does it to be popular. people are complacent to the dangers of smoknig compared to terrorism so put less emphaisis on it, so the govt, as it won't affect the popularity with the people, can afford to only spend a bit.

(batman??)

mike

[shropshire 0]

Sorry matey.... but the people only care about what they're told to care about

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Mike111 0]

I don't think thats true at all.

Although labour do try and hide certain fatcs, there are still lots of people who look pass the bias and spin and care about issues way off govt agenda.

[SudsyFist 0]

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I still don't understand the martyr thing and at this time it only appears to be Islam that promotes it. Something about a bunch of virgins waiting for martyrs in heaven.

Well, it seemed just a few years ago that only Christianity supported the idea of a spaceship riding behind a comet to whisk the faithful to heaven, no? (link)

It's silly to assume that the Islam supports terrorism because fringe elements, or even whole nations, do so in its name. We have plenty of examples of such in Christianity, both current and in history, where it's plainly evident that the doctrine of the faith was twisted by people to achieve specific ends, often political.

As sad as it sounds, the vast majority of people are sheep to one extent to another, and very much influenced by the presence of a strong shepherd, whether it be a cult leader, a musician, or a name brand. If free-thinking could propagate on a vector of some prolific sort, such as mosquitos or cheeseburgers, I'd sing to the ensuing epidemic, "Ooooh, Heaven is a place on Earth."

EDIT: Punctuation.

EDIT EDIT: Spelling. *ugh*