crozby 0 #151 January 2, 2006 QuoteForgive me, but I don't think that I want to live in a country where a teenager is THRASHED BLOODY WITH A CANE for a simple act of vandalism/property damage. Do you? It's what you're used to I guess. I would rather my government spanked a few thugs than locked people up without charge for years on end and tortured them. QuoteYou mean like the DEATH PENALTY applied to murderers? How is it that you can keep a straight face and tell us that illegal gun possession would cease if the penalty was harsh enough, when the penalty of DEATH for MURDER is not enough to stop people from committing murder in places that have capital punishment?! Are you even listening to your own theories?? Jeffrey, the reason that the death penalty doesn't disuade people from murder is the number of people executed for murder is incredibly low. 478 executions in the whole of the United States from 1990-1999. Even amongst prisoners on death row the annual execution rate is only 2 percent. Whereas, in Singapore, if you are caught with over a certain amount of heroin you die. Its easy to understand, and only the really stupid end up getting executed. Do you honestly believe that if a government executed anyone found in possession of an illegal firearm it wouldn't reduce the number of illegal firearms involved in crime? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #152 January 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteForgive me, but I don't think that I want to live in a country where a teenager is THRASHED BLOODY WITH A CANE for a simple act of vandalism/property damage. Do you? It's what you're used to I guess. I would rather my government spanked a few thugs than locked people up without charge for years on end and tortured them. Um, but that's not what it's a choice between. You just set that up. I'd rather eat loads of tapioca pudding every day because I love it than have my fingernails pulled out with a Robogrip plier. But no one said that if I didn't eat the pudding I'd have my fingernails pulled out. QuoteYou mean like the DEATH PENALTY applied to murderers? How is it that you can keep a straight face and tell us that illegal gun possession would cease if the penalty was harsh enough, when the penalty of DEATH for MURDER is not enough to stop people from committing murder in places that have capital punishment?! Are you even listening to your own theories?? QuoteJeffrey, the reason that the death penalty doesn't disuade people from murder is the number of people executed for murder is incredibly low. Do you honestly believe that if a government executed anyone found in possession of an illegal firearm it wouldn't reduce the number of illegal firearms involved in crime? I hadn't thought about how few we execute. I suppose you're right on that count. If people got the sense that we weren't fuckin' around, I guess it's possible that fewer people would murder. But people already know they'll lose their freedom for a long time if they murder and get caught, even if they don't believe they'll be executed. The problem is, the people doing the crimes probably really believe they will manage to not get caught, hence the potential punishment, to them, is moot. I simply will not accept the idea of capital punishment as a penalty for malum prohibitum acts! That's insane. Having a gun, just because it's illegal, should not be punishable by death, period. It is 100% assured that if such were policy, there would be good people who were never going to do criminal harm to anyone executed. Sometimes good people carry guns even when/where the law does not allow them, because they wish to be able to protect themselves from criminals if they are attacked. If such a person were found in illegal possession of a gun, I strongly feel that they should not be executed. I've been that person. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
