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I don't think is funny. 
Why does Mikkey have to insult John and get away with it?
Why does Mikkey have to insult John and get away with it?
kallend 2,175
QuoteI don't think is funny.
Why does Mikkey have to insult John and get away with it?
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1847068#1847068
Because John seems have familiarity with said individual?
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JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteSo I guess England's Home Office and America's FBI are deliberately trying to mislead people by collecting and publishing statistics on recorded crimes?
No, because when they collect these statistics they put in the following paragraph at the very front of the publication so everyone can see just how weak the statistics are:Quote"police recorded crime figures do not provide the most accurate measure of crime... The British Crime Survey (BCS) gives a more accurate picture of crime levels and trends".
If people then go on to repeat the statistics without that very strong caveat they are either misinformed or attempting to mislead.
Now after our last discussion on this topic we all know you are not misinformed about it.
Okay, so for England, it is your position that crime is actually two and one-half times higher than the recorded crime numbers that I posted. I'll accept that.
And you're complaining because I quoted smaller numbers? Sheesh. I was trying to make you blokes look good.
mikkey 0
QuoteOkay, so for England, it is your position that crime is actually two and one-half times higher than the recorded crime numbers that I posted. I'll accept that.
And you're complaining because I quoted smaller numbers? Sheesh. I was trying to make you blokes look good.
Very funny John. This is about your claims that crime was on the increase in the UK. A claim that has been shown to be false and misleading. Still digging that hole?
QuoteI don't think is funny.
Why does Mikkey have to insult John and get away with it?
Insult? John Rich is continuing to post false / misleading information about the UK and Australia. All I (and others) have done is documenting that he has done so. Even so he continues to make claims in face of the evidence. So now I make fun of him as he reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister late in the war. "Insult"? You have not read much on this board then...
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JohnRich 4
QuoteThis is about your claims that crime was on the increase in the UK. A claim that has been shown to be false and misleading.
News stories supporting my claim:
Violent crime shows 6% increase
The Home Office says police have improved recording of violent crime
Violent crime in the three months to the end of June increased by 6% on the same period last year, according to quarterly Home Office figures. Annual crime figures published in July indicated one million violent offences in 2004-5 - up 7% on the previous year...
BBC
Gun crime, sexual offences and robberies still rising, say police
Crimes of violence are continuing to rise, according to police figures published yesterday. Assaults, robberies, sexual offences and the use of guns are all on the increase...
Telegraph
Analysis: why violent crime is rising
But inside the police's crime statistics, the number of recorded violent crimes has gone up by 9 per cent... I suspect that there has also been a real increase in violent crime. "The rise is least marked in the most serious violent crimes, like homicide, conspiracy to murder and serious wounding, which rose by 4 per cent... "Other crimes involving wounding are up by 16 per cent...
Times
Gee, could it be that the issue is not quite as black and white as you are trying to make everyone believe it is?
JohnRich 4
Congratulations for piling-on, taking the low road with mikkey, and jumping into the mud pit with him. That shows real character!
mikkey 0
Are you starting again..... this is going in circles.
Found some snippets of information you can use?
How does that prove your claims of consistent increase in crimes since the introduction of gun control in the UK and Oz? So one type of crime is gone up for one quarter of the year according to one set of stats (the Police one).
And you forgot to quote the next sentence in the BBC report "But crime overall fell by 2%, the figures for England and Wales showed".
Also forgot this paragraph in the article from the Times you linked:
"Both sets of figures are going in the same direction overall - crime is falling. But inside the police's crime statistics, the number of recorded violent crimes has gone up by 9 per cent, while in the BCS it has fallen by 10 per cent.
"My hunch is that the increase can partly be accounted for by the improvements in the police's recording practices and counting rules, as Tony Blair said this morning. But I suspect that there has also been a real increase in violent crime."
Also in the same articel:
""Both the BCS and the police figures are flawed. I suspect the BCS is more authoritative"
And we just had a poster from the UK documenting how the BCS is more accurate compared to the Police stats. So a good chance the only thing that happened was that collection methods of the Police in regard to this type of crime changed and resulted in an increase. BCS shows a decrease of this tepe of crime and both stats show a fall in crimes as such.
This is getting more and more pathetic John. You don't even check the content of the articles you use - just the headlines.
Suggest you give it a rest before you hit China with the hole you are digging.
Found some snippets of information you can use?
How does that prove your claims of consistent increase in crimes since the introduction of gun control in the UK and Oz? So one type of crime is gone up for one quarter of the year according to one set of stats (the Police one).
And you forgot to quote the next sentence in the BBC report "But crime overall fell by 2%, the figures for England and Wales showed".
Also forgot this paragraph in the article from the Times you linked:
"Both sets of figures are going in the same direction overall - crime is falling. But inside the police's crime statistics, the number of recorded violent crimes has gone up by 9 per cent, while in the BCS it has fallen by 10 per cent.
"My hunch is that the increase can partly be accounted for by the improvements in the police's recording practices and counting rules, as Tony Blair said this morning. But I suspect that there has also been a real increase in violent crime."
Also in the same articel:
""Both the BCS and the police figures are flawed. I suspect the BCS is more authoritative"
And we just had a poster from the UK documenting how the BCS is more accurate compared to the Police stats. So a good chance the only thing that happened was that collection methods of the Police in regard to this type of crime changed and resulted in an increase. BCS shows a decrease of this tepe of crime and both stats show a fall in crimes as such.
This is getting more and more pathetic John. You don't even check the content of the articles you use - just the headlines.
Suggest you give it a rest before you hit China with the hole you are digging.
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And still other times, the stalemate continues perpetually, leaving only cobwebs to form in the onlookers' stankholes of pleasure.
crozby 0
QuoteThis is getting more and more pathetic John. You don't even check the content of the articles you use - just the headlines.
John doesn't actually read UK papers like the Times and the Telegraph he just regurgitates headlines he gets from an extremely un-objective pro-gun website. I'd actually be really interested to know which one it is. Anyone?
JohnRich 4
QuoteYou don't even check the content of the articles you use - just the headlines.
Bzzzt. Incorrect again. How would you know how much I read? That's another one of those incorrect assumptions about me which you keep making.
The purpose of those excerpts was not to re-hash that debate all over again. The purpose was to show that there is in fact a perspective which supports what I said. In your zeal to bash me, however, you refuse to acknowledge that, and instead try to characterize me as a liar. Those headlines show that I'm not. And if I'm a liar, then I guess all those British media sources are liars too. Only mikkey knows the real truth!
If many people are saying something that you disagree with, then maybe you should step back, take some deep breathes, and get a fresh perspective on what's going on. Rather than call those other's liars, maybe you should try and acknowledge their point of view, and then argue the merits for your own. You can do that without making an
There are two points of view here. Neither one is totally incorrect. They are both correct, depending upon how you look at things. I acknowledge those circumstances, and argue the fine points of one over the other. You, on the other hand, picked one perspective, and called me a liar for arguing for the other. Tsk tsk.
Your repetitious insults do nothing to strengthen your case.
Have a nice day.
JohnRich 4
QuoteJohn doesn't actually read UK papers like the Times and the Telegraph he just regurgitates headlines he gets from an extremely un-objective pro-gun website. I'd actually be really interested to know which one it is.
There's yet another invalid assumption. Have you been studying debating techniques from mikkey?
Here is the so-called "extremely un-objective pro-gun website" which I used to find those news stories: Try it for yourself!
Besides, the stories themselves were not written by a pro-gun website. They were written by British media sources. Are you calling the BBC and the London Telegraph "extremely un-objective pro-gun" news sources?
Now whose bias is showing?
That mud pit must be getting kind of crowded, with mikkey, kallend, and now crozby, all squeezed in there at once.
That mud pit must be getting kind of crowded, with mikkey, kallend, and now crozby, all squeezed in there at once.
Yes. Pls kindly include me. That's a big fat mean conspiracy.... LMAO
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Does anyone else find this post really funny!!??
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