More lies?

[kallend 2,175]

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/23/AR2005102301201.html?sub=AR

I particularly like this bit:

In January 2003, after winning election as majority leader, Frist was asked on CNBC whether his HCA holdings made it difficult for him to push for changes in Medicare, a federal health program for seniors that added to the hospital company's revenue.

"I think really for our viewers it should be understood that I put this into a blind trust," Frist replied. "So as far as I know, I own no HCA stock." He added that the trust was "totally blind. I have no control."

Two weeks before that interview, M. Kirk Scobey Jr., a Frist trustee, informed the senator in writing that one of his trusts had received HCA stock valued at between $15,000 and $50,000.

"He [Frist] could have been more exact in his comments," said Bob Stevenson, spokesman for Frist. Stevenson added that Frist might better have said he did not know to what extent he owned HCA shares.



No kidding!

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[beowulf 1]

Why are people surprised when politicians lie?

[Channman 2]

We need to move on to more interesting topics, such as Cash Value Life Insurance policies deceiving American families.

When it comes to so called investments, CV policies are lies worth talking about.

[Mike111 0]

politicians have always lied and will always do.

its in their nature, and most of the time in their interests.

Whether it is acceptable to is another matter.

[Amazon 7]

Didnt most of the new crop of republicans campaign on morality issues after the horrible blow job lies of the previous administration.
Lies about blow jobs or sex.... WROOOONNGGGGG

Lies about war... GOOOOOOD

Lies about Corruption... GOOOOD

Ok just so we know where the priorities of the Ultra Right hand boys are.

[billvon 3,132]

>Lies about war... GOOOOOOD

Well, at least they are _finally_ starting to look into that.

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Walker's World: Bush at bay
By MARTIN WALKER
UPI Editor

WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 (UPI) -- The CIA leak inquiry that threatens senior White House aides has now widened to include the forgery of documents on African uranium that started the investigation, according to NAT0 intelligence sources.

This suggests the inquiry by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald into the leaking of the identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame has now widened to embrace part of the broader question about the way the Iraq war was justified by the Bush administration.

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Fitzgerald's team has been given the full, and as yet unpublished report of the Italian parliamentary inquiry into the affair, which started when an Italian journalist obtained documents that appeared to show officials of the government of Niger helping to supply the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein with Yellowcake uranium. This claim, which made its way into President Bush's State of the Union address in January, 2003, was based on falsified documents from Niger and was later withdrawn by the White House.

This opens the door to what has always been the most serious implication of the CIA leak case, that the Bush administration could face a brutally damaging and public inquiry into the case for war against Iraq being false or artificially exaggerated. This was the same charge that imperiled the government of Bush's closest ally, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, after a BBC Radio program claimed Blair's aides has "sexed up" the evidence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

There can be few more serious charges against a government than going to war on false pretences, or having deliberately inflated or suppressed the evidence that justified the war.

[Tink1717 2]

/sarcasm
But he's a conservative republican, so it's OK for him to lie. Didn't you get the memo?
/sarcasm

Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off.
-The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717

[Gawain 0]

This is old news. Even if his blind trust sold the shares and he made money on it, guess what, he no longer holds an owning interest in the company. He's a doctor, it makes sense to own stock in businesses in his field, and he's not running for re-election. So whoopy-doo....

Now, if he were running for re-election, then I can understand him catching heat, but it's still a non-starter. Just like all the whining about VP Cheney's former involvement in Halliburton hasn't caught on yet...after 6 plus years of harping...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[sinker 0]

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Didnt most of the new crop of republicans campaign on morality issues after the horrible blow job lies of the previous administration.
Lies about blow jobs or sex.... WROOOONNGGGGG

last time I checked, it was not just a lie, it was perjury. that't not just wrong, it's a crime.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

[Muenkel 0]

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last time I checked, it was not just a lie, it was perjury. that't not just wrong, it's a crime.

It's useless. No matter how many times you remind the left that their 'Golden Child' committed perjury, they just can't see it. I believe they are in a form of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder over it. It is too difficult to digest. I really believe it is rooted in something physiological with them.

Now I, a person from the right am not afraid to say that if Delay is guilty of the charges he faces then he has to pay the price. That goes equally for Frist, Libby and Rove. If they did the crime, they've got to do the time.

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Chris

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No matter how many times you remind the left that their 'Golden Child' committed perjury, they just can't see it.

Quick show of hands:

1. Who here considers Clinton even remotely their "Golden Child?"
2. Who here can't see he committed perjury?

Chris, if we get nothing but crickets back from this one, is it safe to assume that your argument's moot?

[rehmwa 2]

Quick show of hands -

Who here DOESN'T think being President is a crappy, thankless job? Regardless of your political affiliation.

Who here thinks there is such thing as a win-win solution to ANY issue in the political landscape?

Who here thinks that numbers aren't arbitrary enough?

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[kallend 2,175]

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Quick show of hands -

Who here DOESN'T think being President is a crappy, thankless job? Regardless of your political affiliation.

Funny how so many spend so much trying to be elected President, isn't it?

Then again, maybe it's not funny, but you're just wrong.

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[Botellines 0]

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Who here DOESN'T think being President is a crappy, thankless job? Regardless of your political affiliation.

I do. Being a president ia a very rewarding job. It gives you many things like.
-Money
-Power
-The posibility to do good things for your country.
-Write history, etc, etc.
You only have to be a bit honest to be a good president. Few of them are, and not only in the U.S.A.

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Who here thinks there is such thing as a win-win solution to ANY issue in the political landscape?

There is seldom times a win-win solutions. But there should never be a loose-loose solution, and IMO Bush is getting way too many of those.
Maybe we should speak of a win-loose-loose situation winning some corporations and loosing republicans and democrats alike.
In any case it is always posible to reach a compromise. A president should not be a president for one party or the other, he should be president for the whole country. This is not football match.

[wmw999 2,600]

The problem is that it's hard to get to the point of being a credible candidate for president of any significant country without being a politician; the larger the country, the more factional groups you have to have made happy. And, well, you can't make them all happy, so you have to either lie or shade the truth so they think you did.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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It's useless. No matter how many times you remind the left that their 'Golden Child' committed perjury, they just can't see it. I believe they are in a form of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder over it. It is too difficult to digest. I really believe it is rooted in something physiological with them.

What is really funny is that it is rumoured that perjury charges will flow from the investigation into the CIA operative leak. A slew of Republicans have already started damage control and have been making statements along the lines of: perjury isn't that serious, this investigation has been a waste of money if perjury is all that flows from it, etc etc.

Personally, I would rather have my country's leader lie about getting head than one of his most senior staffers lie about leaking the name of an CSIS operative. But with the religious right leading your country, I have this feeling many will feel lieing about a blowjob is much more serious....

(thank god he used a cigar on her and not a dildo or I think he would have been elligable for the death penalty )

[Channman 2]

>But with the religious right leading your country,..

Hey dude, your from Canada, you have no God, much less a military. I'm surprised you even had time or a computer to send your thread.

I'm sure you as everyone else has lied, and therefore you all are a bunch of liers. As for me, I don't lie anymore...I don't lie any less either, but I'm no lier, I just tell interesting stories.

[wmw999 2,600]

WTF? Shouldn't there be a tongue-in-cheek icon in there? I hope, please?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[ReBirth 0]

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Didnt most of the new crop of republicans campaign on morality issues after the horrible blow job lies of the previous administration.
Lies about blow jobs or sex.... WROOOONNGGGGG

last time I checked, it was not just a lie, it was perjury. that't not just wrong, it's a crime.

Funny how all the conservative pundits have been saying that if Fitzgerald starts charging people with perjury, that will demonstrate the weakness of his case.

Oh, and by the way. Testimony before a grand jury is under oath. If these guys are proven to have said or done things that they denied while testifying...it's perjury.

And again...please tell me....what's a more heinous crime. Perjuring yourself about a blow job. Or exposing covert operatives to further political objectives in seeking war and destroy the credibility of opposing voices.

No matter how many times this is pointed out to YOU GUYS, you still don't seem to care.

I'll put it another way. Yes, Bill Clinton was wrong to commit perjury. Will you guys admit that Rove and Libby, if guilty of exposing the name of a CIA operative were wrong?

[kallend 2,175]

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Didnt most of the new crop of republicans campaign on morality issues after the horrible blow job lies of the previous administration.
Lies about blow jobs or sex.... WROOOONNGGGGG

last time I checked, it was not just a lie, it was perjury. that't not just wrong, it's a crime.

Funny how all the conservative pundits have been saying that if Fitzgerald starts charging people with perjury, that will demonstrate the weakness of his case.

Oh, and by the way. Testimony before a grand jury is under oath. If these guys are proven to have said or done things that they denied while testifying...it's perjury.

And again...please tell me....what's a more heinous crime. Perjuring yourself about a blow job. Or exposing covert operatives to further political objectives in seeking war and destroy the credibility of opposing voices.

No matter how many times this is pointed out to YOU GUYS, you still don't seem to care.

I'll put it another way. Yes, Bill Clinton was wrong to commit perjury. Will you guys admit that Rove and Libby, if guilty of exposing the name of a CIA operative were wrong?

I hope you are not holding your breath.

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In her comments on Meet the Press, Hutchison said any indictment in the case should be “an indictment on a crime and not some perjury technicality where they couldn’t indict on the crime, and so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation was not a waste of time and taxpayer dollars.”

and yet:

""I do think . . . that something needs to be said that is a clear message that our rule of law is intact and the standards for perjury and obstruction of justice are not gray. And I think it is most important that we make that statement and that it be on the record for history.

"I very much worry that with the evidence that we have seen that grand juries across America are going to start asking questions about what is obstruction of justice, what is perjury. And I don't want there to be any lessening of the standard. Because our system of criminal justice depends on people telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."

-- Hutchison discussing President Bill Clinton's impeachment at a news conference, Feb. 5, 1999.


No matter what side you fall on, perjury is okay, if it happens on your side, and an ABSOLUTE EVIL if it falls on the other.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Muenkel 0]

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Chris, if we get nothing but crickets back from this one, is it safe to assume that your argument's moot?

Sudsy, my statement was made tongue in cheek. It wasn't to be taken too seriously. It was the typical jab from one side to the next.

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Chris

[Muenkel 0]

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I'll put it another way. Yes, Bill Clinton was wrong to commit perjury. Will you guys admit that Rove and Libby, if guilty of exposing the name of a CIA operative were wrong?

May I direct you to post #10, 2nd paragraph. It's already been done.

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Chris

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Hey dude, your from Canada, you have no God, much less a military.

Funny, your sec of state is here asking our military for help.....maybe sniper lessons?

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I'm surprised you even had time or a computer to send your thread.

I'd be surprised if you could find Canada on a map....matter of fact, I'd be surprised if you could find the USA on a map...

Wendy for you:

[tso-d_chris 0]

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Who here thinks there is such thing as a win-win solution to ANY issue in the political landscape?

Aye I.