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Why should the color of someone's skin even be taken into consideration?

It should, because it puts added stress on a relationship and most certainly on any possible off spring.

I agree that it shouldn't, but I think it is fairly obvious that mixed-race relationships have an added level of difficulty.

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It should, because it puts added stress on a relationship and most certainly on any possible off spring.

I think the benefits of multicultural upbringing far outweigh the challenges of living in a world with racism.

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Seals are the second most intelligent species on the planet, second to the mice ofcourse. So long and thanks for all the fish.

When did they off the dolphins?

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I think the benefits of multicultural upbringing far outweigh the challenges of living in a world with racism.

Not disputing that at all...but race does play a role and should be considered...

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Now the real question, would you let your daughter date a black?

Hey, at least cite me when you're gonna use my material!

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Not disputing that at all...but race does play a role and should be considered..

No couple is going to be without their challenges. Trying to pick and choose those challenges is seldom going to work out as planned. Its better, IMO, just to seek happiness and not worry about the other BS, which includes race.

Besides, many of the negative repercussions are due to the fact that inter-racial couples are still relatively uncommon.

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Seals are the second most intelligent species on the planet, second to the mice ofcourse. So long and thanks for all the fish.

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When did they off the dolphins?
Oh Darn it you're right its dophins not seals that are the 2nd smartest species on the planet.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1


Some parents need to have their children taken away.

Still against sterilization, Paul?

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I think they have a right to their opinions and the right to teach their children their opinions. However, I have a right to say that they're ignorant $^%&*^%s.

Hopefully, those kids will grow up and start thinking for themselves. The money they're making may get them some measure of independence from their parents, and hopefully get them to a place where they're out from under their influence.

There is far less tolerance for racist ideas by today's public. The girls will find that life will be difficult for them if they continue to think that way. People won't take them seriously. Hopefully that will teach them something.

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There is far less tolerance for racist ideas by today's public. The girls will find that life will be difficult for them if they continue to think that way. People won't take them seriously. Hopefully that will teach them something.

But when will they be exposed to the real world? At the moment they are home schooled and only taken out to perform at skinhead neo-nazi rallies.

Maybe they'll be let out on their own at 18, I reckon that'll probably be too late, I hope it isn't though.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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The (few) comments I find ironic is those stating 'certain types of people shouldn't breed or should have their children taken away' coupled with opposition of the very symbol that stood for that kind of attitude.



To be free, we have to take the good with the bad and hope the total effect improves through the generations.

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Some parents need to have their children taken away.

No one would be making these complaints if the girls were black, and singing songs about killing Whitey.

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No one would be making these complaints if the girls were black, and singing songs about killing Whitey.

I would. Same if they were Aborigines or Native Americans or Koreans or French.

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No one would be making these complaints if the girls were black, and singing songs about killing Whitey.

Cynical today? Some people do complain about those types of songs too. Aren't they exactly the same thing? Every demographic has this type of thing, it's just a matter of how publicized it gets.

Your thought, though, I'm thinking is how much do the member groups protest this type of statement by one of their own vs how much do they try to rationalize it even when they try to act like they don't support it.

In any case, crappy message and despicable for any parent from any demographic to teach this to their kids. Be heartened that for every parent like this, there are thousands trying to do the right thing.

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>No one would be making these complaints if the girls were black, and
>singing songs about killing Whitey.

There are black performers who sing about killing whitey, and they do get a lot of complaints. Check out:

http://www.amren.com/rap1.htm

One song that they complain about includes the lyrics "Niggas in the church say kill whitey all night long . . ."

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You have to have a license for a dog, why not for being a parent?

Wow, Paul. I can't believe I'm saying this.......I agree.

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The swastika logo does not bother me either because it is a symbol of our white history.

Try some research first....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

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The History of the Swastika
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The swastika is an extremely powerful symbol. Though the Nazis used it to murder millions of people, for centuries it had positive meanings. What is the history of the swastika? Does it now represent good or evil?

The Oldest Known Symbol

The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.

During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well known, if not commonly used, symbol but was called by many different names:

China - wan
England - fylfot
Germany - Hakenkreuz
Greece - tetraskelion and gammadion
India - swastika
Though it is not known for exactly how long, Native Americans also have long used the symbol of the swastika.
The Original Meaning

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

A Change in Meaning

In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history.

By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League.

In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.

Hitler and the Nazis

In 1920, Adolf Hitler decided that the Nazi Party needed its own insignia and flag. For Hitler, the new flag had to be "a symbol of our own struggle" as well as "highly effective as a poster." (Mein Kampf, pg. 495)

On August 7, 1920, at the Salzburg Congress, this flag became the official emblem of the Nazi Party.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)

Because of the Nazis' flag, the swastika soon became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, violence, death, and murder.

What Does the Swastika Mean Now?

There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate.

These conflicting meanings are causing problems in today's society. For Buddhists and Hindus, the swastika is a very religious symbol that is commonly used. Chirag Badlani shares a story about one time when he went to make some photocopies of some Hindu Gods for his temple. While standing in line to pay for the photocopies, some people behind him in line noticed that one of the pictures had a swastika. They called him a Nazi.

Unfortunately, the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, that many do not even know any other meaning for the swastika. Can there be two completely opposite meanings for one symbol?

In ancient times, the direction of the swastika was interchangeable as can be seen on an ancient Chinese silk drawing.

Some cultures in the past had differentiated between the clockwise swastika and the counter-clockwise sauvastika. In these cultures the swastika symbolized health and life while the sauvastika took on a mystical meaning of bad-luck or misfortune.

But since the Nazis use of the swastika, some people are trying to differentiate the two meanings of the swastika by varying its direction - trying to make the clockwise, Nazi version of the swastika mean hate and death while the counter-clockwise version would hold the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck

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Yeah, but these kids' parent were using the symbol as a representation of the Nazis, not the ancient meaning. Any historical positive symbolic meaning is just simply gone due to what those guys did. We have to live with that.

UntamedDog is just trying to get peoples' goats by making the gross and incorrect generalization, but we're used to his tactics.

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The (few) comments I find ironic is those stating 'certain types of people shouldn't breed or should have their children taken away' coupled with opposition of the very symbol that stood for that kind of attitude.



To be free, we have to take the good with the bad and hope the total effect improves through the generations.

What about those extremist families who would one day be happy for their son/daughter to grow to become a suicide bomber, who dress them up as masked martyrs before they reach double digits in age, and have them wearing pseudo suicide belts carrying wooden AK47's? Should we allow them that freedom, because personal freedoms transcend all rationality?

I think ANY family from ANY background preaching intolerance is on thin ice, but in particular, those who advocate a real hatred of other races, should not be allowed the priviledge of children.

Freedom is one thing im all for, but when you start to raise children with your own monstrous and hateful beliefs, whether that's simple straighforward white supremacy (as in the case here) or otherwise, in my opinion and in an ideal world, you should lose your right to impregnate that bile on an impressionable mind.

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Should we allow them that freedom, because personal freedoms transcend all rationality?

Laws restricting personal freedoms beget more laws restricting personal freedoms. I'd rather keep the government out of the business of further restricting liberties, and let peer/societal pressures keep this sort of thing to a minimum.

Where there is hate in large enough groups that the hate is actually supported by peer pressure, then there are steps which can be taken to help reduce the hate over the long term, without necessarily encroaching on personal freedoms.

Would you have preferred for the US Federal Gov't to directly outlaw the KKK and any hate speech during the 50's and 60's? What do you think the long-term repercussions would have been, compared to the action which was actually taken?

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I think ANY family from ANY background preaching intolerance is on thin ice, but in particular, those who advocate a real hatred of other races, should not be allowed the priviledge of children.

Ironic you are for mass sterilizations to prevent people from teaching their children hatred and intolerence.

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I think ANY family from ANY background preaching intolerance is on thin ice, but in particular, those who advocate a real hatred of other races, should not be allowed the priviledge of children.

Ironic you are for mass sterilizations to prevent people from teaching their children hatred and intolerence.

The only thing i have an intolerance for is intolerance. I only hate people that hate people etc etc blah blah. Yeah yeah i know how the argument goes, but my kids will not be taught to hate one particular race. I think those that are should not be allowed them in the first place. Why should i be allowed children? Because i won't be preaching them hate, but rather tolerance of other races. Should they tolerate those who preach and spread hate? I don't think so, and i also don't think that's an oxymoron because some people should simply not be tolerated when their actions affect the lives of innocent people around them, be they victims of suicide bombers, or those who endure rascism.

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>What about those extremist families who would one day be happy
>for their son/daughter to grow to become a suicide bomber, who
> dress them up as masked martyrs before they reach double digits
> in age, and have them wearing pseudo suicide belts carrying
> wooden AK47's? Should we allow them that freedom, because
>personal freedoms transcend all rationality?

Yes. For the same reason we allow kids to play with toy soldiers, watch movies detailing hundreds of grisly deaths, and play games like "US vs Iran" (which is currently on shelves.) If you're going to be OK with acclimatizing kids to death, you can't decide that only one ideology of death is acceptable.

>I think ANY family from ANY background preaching intolerance is on
> thin ice, but in particular, those who advocate a real hatred of other
> races, should not be allowed the priviledge of children.

Any family who teaches intolerance SHOULD be ashamed of themselves. But the government has no place teaching morals to kids, or deciding whose morals are acceptable to be taught to kids.

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Any family who teaches intolerance SHOULD be ashamed of themselves. But the government has no place teaching morals to kids, or deciding whose morals are acceptable to be taught to kids.

True dat. Fortunately, freedom of speech (and the fact that they probably don't post on dz.com) means I can call them racist jerks and assholes who don't deserve the children they have.

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There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I read his post and pretty much laughed. I'm amazed that 60 plus years later some people are still so damn ignorant to that period in World history. Millions of people died defeating the SOB Hitler and his croonies. The least we can do is pick up a history book and learn why so many sacrificed their lives.