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[Gawain 0]

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>as the alternatives were so unpalatable - the inventor of the internet and
>Love Canal discoverer or Monsieur sKerry; what a couple of fucktards.

Back in 1982 or so, there was a lot of work being done on Arpanet (the predecessor of the Internet) at MIT. It was competing with Bitnet, which was a much less robust system. Bitnet had something of an advantage in that Arpanet was intended as a military communications network, and thus was seen as a 'restricted' network.

1982? ARPANET was launched in 1969 by BBN. They used the @ in the first email in 1971. Developed TELENET in 1975 and the first TCP in 1977.

Simply put, DoD wanted to find a way to have an ultra-redundant communications network that might survive even if the country was a great big-smoking-nuclear-crater. The answer: the telephone system, wires running everywhere. All they had to do was develop a way to route information. There were 13 IMP sites by 1972. ARPANET didn't just evolve into a defense experiment, it was also a huge tool for the University systems as well.

Al Gore had about as much to do with the Internet as I did with the Apollo moon landings.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[crwtom 0]

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Fundamentalist Islams isn't all his doing, he might have inflamed it but certainly not started it. There was attakcs on the USS cole (i think thats the name) in 1996 before he came.

woha! USS Cole attack was 10/12 2000. In the beginning people
could only speculate who was resposible. Connections to a so far
little publized terror group Al Quaeda and a guy called Osama
surfaced around beginning December.

This was perhaps a month after elections and a month before
presidency passed from Clinton to Bush. As outgoing pres
Clinton decided to leave any decisions for retaliation (and their
ramifications) to his successor.

In the beginning of 2001 he told GWB 1-on-1 and eye-2-eye that
the greatest threat facing the US is Al Quaeda/bin Laden. (Followed
by N Korea, Iran, and much further down the list Saddam) With
that retaliation was strongly recommended to GWB.

And what did the dim-wit do? .... exactly nothing!

Cheers, T

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[TheAnvil 0]

You were correct...I was referring to Al Gore.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[tso-d_chris 0]

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the inventor of the internet

Check here.

[GTAVercetti 0]

ummm:

"But the real question is what, if anything, did Gore actually do to create the modern Internet? According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."

He is not refering to Cheney.

and snopes:

Al Gore and the Internet

Anyone who has any sense of context at all would see that Al Gore was not claiming to be the CREATOR of the Net; he was stating that he help it become the resource it is today through his role as a senator.

And just so we know, I am not a very big fan of Gore.

So....How DID you acomplish those moon landings?
The administration and NASA are eager to know.

ANd yes, tso-d chris beat me to it.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Gawain 0]

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So....How DID you acomplish those moon landings?

It's amazing what you can do with a slide rule.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Gawain 0]

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Fundamentalist Islams isn't all his doing, he might have inflamed it but certainly not started it. There was attakcs on the USS cole (i think thats the name) in 1996 before he came.

woha! USS Cole attack was 10/12 2000. In the beginning people
could only speculate who was resposible. Connections to a so far
little publized terror group Al Quaeda and a guy called Osama
surfaced around beginning December.

This was perhaps a month after elections and a month before
presidency passed from Clinton to Bush. As outgoing pres
Clinton decided to leave any decisions for retaliation (and their
ramifications) to his successor.

The USS Cole was bombed approximately one month before the elections, and three months before President Bush would take office.

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In the beginning of 2001 he told GWB 1-on-1 and eye-2-eye that
the greatest threat facing the US is Al Quaeda/bin Laden. (Followed
by N Korea, Iran, and much further down the list Saddam) With
that retaliation was strongly recommended to GWB.

And what did the dim-wit do? .... exactly nothing!

Of course, former President Clinton could say that, remember what his administration did to US assets and abilities to detect and counter the threat. Zero HUMINT, massively cut military force, and ignored three...three attempts by Sudan from 1996-1998 to hand over bin-Laden. What did he do about it?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Gravitymaster 0]

...and let's not forget ABLE DANGER.

but I digress.. "It's all Bush's Fault".

[TheAnvil 0]

Good for him. He's still a looooser. And a sore one at that.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[SpeedRacer 1]

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three attempts by Sudan from 1996-1998 to hand over bin-Laden.

Has this been verified? I know there was a claim by a Sudanese official MUCH LATER that Absurabi had offered bin Laden to Clinton. Clinton said that was bullshit, the Sudanese NEVER offered bin Laden. Clinton also said that Absurabi (Sudanese pres.) was formerly in business with bin Laden & would never have done that.

So is there any independent source to verify that Sudan did in fact offer bin Laden to the Clinton administration? or is it just one of those stories that gets passed around because it re-affirms some people's political beliefs?

(edited to add): I just checked the 9-11 Commission Report. It confirms that although Erwa, the Sudanese Minister of Defense claimed that he had offered to hand bin Laden over to the USA, the commission determined there was no evidence to support the claim.

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[Gawain 0]

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three attempts by Sudan from 1996-1998 to hand over bin-Laden.

Has this been verified? I know there was a claim by a Sudanese official MUCH LATER that Absurabi had offered bin Laden to Clinton. Clinton said that was bullshit, the Sudanese NEVER offered bin Laden. Clinton also said that Absurabi (Sudanese pres.) was formerly in business with bin Laden & would never have done that.

So is there any independent source to verify that Sudan did in fact offer bin Laden to the Clinton administration? or is it just one of those stories that gets passed around because it re-affirms some people's political beliefs?

From the left's favorite: the LA Times, carrying a piece from the horse's mouth that tried to coordinate the dialogue between then-President Clinton and Sudan. There's also this, this, this, and this.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[SpeedRacer 1]

It confirms what I said. The Sudanese never offered bin Laden himself to the USA.

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[Gawain 0]

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It confirms what I said. The Sudanese never offered bin Laden himself to the USA.

How do you figure:

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...of the Clinton Administration's mishandling of repeated offers by the Sudanese government, some dating back to 1996...

...the Sudanese government had in 1996 also
offered to extradite Osama bin-Laden ...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[billvon 3,116]

>1982? ARPANET was launched in 1969 by BBN. They used the @ in the
>first email in 1971. Developed TELENET in 1975 and the first TCP in 1977.

Right. And by 1982 (when I got involved with it) it was still flopping along, trying to decide what to become. It had some competition (i.e. Bitnet) but won out in the end because a) it had a superior transport layer and b) a lot of people put effort into making it work.

>Al Gore had about as much to do with the Internet as I did with the Apollo
>moon landings.

OK, I'm impressed! Did you get NASA the money for the Mercury program?

[Mike111 0]

Well Clinton could have acted sooner too.

Although people complain that Bush shouldn't have gone to war now, but then they complain that he didn't do anything before!! Unless of course you are refering to the prevention of 9/11?

[Mike111 0]

No idea what you mean.

[rhys 0]

g.w.bush 'senior' was just as much of a warmonging, dumbass, redneck, moron as his son. he has as much to do with the current situation as the current g.w.bush. does.

times are hard because they have been made hard by the u.s. govornment.

is war more important then education, health and welfare?

i can remember when operation dessert storm started. it was just as much of a crock of shit as the current war on terror.

the u.s. govornment are the terrorists and the extemists are marely retaliating.

if your family and life was destroyed by someone and you life became an absolute misery then you would want to make someone pay too.

i definately do not condone violence. there is just two sides to a story. it just so happens that the u.s. govornment and corporate america is very good at brainwashing its people. we get to hear and see what they want us to hear and see.

thats what i was getting at.

a good president would concentrate on his/her own people.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Gawain 0]

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OK, I'm impressed! Did you get NASA the money for the Mercury program?

Securing money for funding and continued development versus design and architecture are two different animals completely. Just because Gore did his duty as a socialist, and secured more taxpayer money to fund an already funded program is just like me and my taxpayer dollars funding NASA. By the time Gore was involved, the Universities were advancing the "would-be-internet" while BBN and a few other labs were developing the protocols which are being used today by the whole world.

With that logic, I (based on my age) helped fund and develop the Shuttle program, that Mars missions and who knows what else.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Mike111 0]

I see your point, but disagree, and the fact that the US are terrorists? well i totally disagree on that.

For 1991, there was a UN mandate, others involved to - and it went a lot better for the USA, fewer casualties quick resolution compared to now.

I don't live in America, but all governments try and say the good news - look at labour govt in the UK, they band more facts than anyone.

I wouldn't say Bush is a warmonger, but that he has a tough job to do.

Maybe I wouldn't have chosen Iraq to go for because Iran and Syria are far greater threats than Saddam.

[rwieder 0]

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[billvon 3,116]

>because Gore did his duty as a socialist, and secured more
>taxpayer money to fund an already funded program is just like me
>and my taxpayer dollars funding NASA.

If you, through your efforts, got a significant portion of the funding needed for the Apollo (and prerequisite) missions through congress, and then wrote a few dozen papers on lunar navigation, human response to low gravity and conditioning of hypergolic propellants, then you would indeed have done something similar.

>With that logic, I (based on my age) helped fund and develop the Shuttle program . . .

Cool! My involvement was limited to a few experiments funded by the NASA/NSTA SSSIP and a few papers on a 120 volt DC power system for the space station. I had no idea you did so much!

[kallend 2,148]

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>because Gore did his duty as a socialist, and secured more
>taxpayer money to fund an already funded program is just like me
>and my taxpayer dollars funding NASA.

If you, through your efforts, got a significant portion of the funding needed for the Apollo (and prerequisite) missions through congress, and then written a few dozen papers on lunar navigation, human response to low gravity and conditioning of hypergolic propellants, then you would indeed have done something similar.

>With that logic, I (based on my age) helped fund and develop the Shuttle program . . .

Cool! My involvement was limited to a few experiments funded by the NASA/NSTA SSSIP and a few papers on a 120 volt DC power system for the space station. I had no idea you did so much!

Neat. I did some consulting for Rockwell on x-ray analysis of titanium alloys for the Shuttle. Did we find out exactly what Gawain did yet?

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[GTAVercetti 0]

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Neat. I did some consulting for Rockwell on x-ray analysis of titanium alloys for the Shuttle. Did we find out exactly what Gawain did yet?

I dunno what he did, but I know what I did: I watched it.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Amazon 7]

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Neat. I did some consulting for Rockwell on x-ray analysis of titanium alloys for the Shuttle. Did we find out exactly what Gawain did yet?

I only trained some of the NASA Types and Mission Specialists when they came thru the Survival School. Playing with them was fun...

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Of course, former President Clinton could say that, remember what his administration did to US assets and abilities to detect and counter the threat. Zero HUMINT

Just what in the fuck are you talking about?

EDIT: Removed the offensive part.