Steel 0 #26 October 24, 2005 QuoteI have seen so many female male managers who don't seem to know their ass from their elbow when it comes to doing their job and it makes me wonder if they were hired just to avoid it being said that they were sexist. It goes both ways. Jen When have you heard somebody say that company X refuses to hire male managers because they are sexist. And when have you heard of a witch hunt taking place for the purpose of tearing a company to shreds on this basis? Yeah I, like most people have never heard of this happening, atleast not in this country. .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #27 October 24, 2005 They don't say it. I've sat in job interviews where the people we are interviewing are weeded out according to sex. "well, we already have 2 guys in the architect area, bringing in a girl might change the great chemistry they have going on"... That train of thought didn't sit well with me and thankfully that manager was later fired. It does happen. JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #28 October 24, 2005 Quote'Scuse me, I have to go take the pot pie out of the oven, and I think I just felt a contraction... where'd I put my shoes? LMFAO, thanks for that. The GAO report said that women make 80% less than men, but that gender discrimination was only one factor. The "mommy track" seemed to be a big factor too. Where I work (both jobs), my female coworkers doing the same job get paid the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #29 October 24, 2005 QuoteThey don't say it. I've sat in job interviews where the people we are interviewing are weeded out according to sex. "well, we already have 2 guys in the architect area, bringing in a girl might change the great chemistry they have going on"... That train of thought didn't sit well with me and thankfully that manager was later fired. It does happen. Jen It sounds like an opinion on how a company will prosper based on the previous setup of this group. It kind of sucks for a girl applying in that situation, but not anymore than it would for a guy applying to work in a team where there were already 2 girls. Bottomline is that the function of a company is to make money. Its not charity. Employees are there to make money just the like the company. 3 years ago when Nortel was in the shitter with all the other telecom companies, they layed me off, leading me to almost bankruptcy. Why did they do it? Because they couldn't afford to keep me and the 78K others that they gave walking papers to. They would prefer to watch me drown than to drown with me. Its life .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #30 October 24, 2005 QuoteIt kind of sucks for a girl applying in that situation, but not anymore than it would for a guy applying to work in a team where there were already 2 girls. Bottomline is that the function of a company is to make money. Its not charity. Employees are there to make money just the like the company. That's true, and a consideration. The thing is that if the vast majority of jobs are already held by white men, then it's unlikely that a woman, or anyone of a different race, will be able to break in. When there's a variety of work groups, then while someone may not match the chemistry of one, they're likely to match the chemistry of another. But when they're all white, and all male, and they all go to the same country club, that limits your job pool, and you end up looking for the guy who "fits in" with the best qualifications, because that becomes one of the qualifications. Just as happens when AA comes in. It's human nature. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #31 October 24, 2005 QuoteIt sounds like an opinion on how a company will prosper based on the previous setup of this group. It kind of sucks for a girl applying in that situation, but not anymore than it would for a guy applying to work in a team where there were already 2 girls. So, when a manager has the opinion that bringing a black man in to work with the existing white men will upset the group and cost the company money, it's ok for him to not hire blacks, without regard to their qualifications? Maybe you do think that's ok, but I don't. And I don't think it's ok when it's done in regard to women, either. There's no difference. No matter how you try to justify it, using someone's class (race, sex, sexual orientation) to disqualify someone no matter what the rationale is always wrong. AND it still takes place. Your justification of it is pretty good evidence of that fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #32 October 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt kind of sucks for a girl applying in that situation, but not anymore than it would for a guy applying to work in a team where there were already 2 girls. Bottomline is that the function of a company is to make money. Its not charity. Employees are there to make money just the like the company. That's true, and a consideration. The thing is that if the vast majority of jobs are already held by white men, then it's unlikely that a woman, or anyone of a different race, will be able to break in. When there's a variety of work groups, then while someone may not match the chemistry of one, they're likely to match the chemistry of another. But when they're all white, and all male, and they all go to the same country club, that limits your job pool, and you end up looking for the guy who "fits in" with the best qualifications, because that becomes one of the qualifications. Just as happens when AA comes in. It's human nature. Wendy W. Then I guess Nortel is the exception because out of the 8 people working in my bull pin, there is an Indian girl, a Mexican, four Northern Europeans, one mixed with American Indian and me. Come to think of it my Director is Lebanese with and accent. My manager is Cuban-American, the director that relocated me to Texas is black, and the manager that first hired me into the company was Russian. So if you ask me nobody is being left out in the cold because of their race or gender in the current market. edited to add. And I have never seen racism or sexism happen in any work place I have ever been a part of. Well actually I have, I have seen women and blacks get special treatment. That is, when they screw something up they get a lot more chances to fix it than the rest of the people. I think this is a response to false accusations of dicrimination and I think it sucks. .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #33 October 24, 2005 QuoteThen I guess Nortel is the exception Probably...but what does the make up of SENIOR management look like? QuoteSo if you ask me nobody is being left out in the cold because of their race or gender in the current market. Well, you're wrong. You're basing it on your observation, not on reality. See the Quade's thread about the cute little nazi girls and my comment. Just because you haven't personally witnessed it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have personally witnessed senior personell at places where I've worked talking about "niggers" and "bitches". False accusations, my ass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #34 October 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteThen I guess Nortel is the exception Probably...but what does the make up of SENIOR management look like? WILLIAM OWENS, Vice-Chairman & Chief Executive Well he is a white anglo but he is on his way out and is being replaced by a slav, Mike S. Zafirovski) SUSAN SPRADLEY, President, Global Services & Operations ( Wow a woman with the second highest position in the company, a position that pays more in one week than I make the entire year, imagine that) ALFREDO DECARDENAS, Global Svcs & Ops, & NA (his VP, Don't know what he is but I would guess that his name is Portuguese, again not a white anglo.) QuoteSo if you ask me nobody is being left out in the cold because of their race or gender in the current market. Well, you're wrong. . Well you see you are the one that is wrong. .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 October 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt sounds like an opinion on how a company will prosper based on the previous setup of this group. It kind of sucks for a girl applying in that situation, but not anymore than it would for a guy applying to work in a team where there were already 2 girls. So, when a manager has the opinion that bringing a black man in to work with the existing white men will upset the group and cost the company money, it's ok for him to not hire blacks, without regard to their qualifications? Maybe you do think that's ok, but I don't. And I don't think it's ok when it's done in regard to women, either. There's no difference. No matter how you try to justify it, using someone's class (race, sex, sexual orientation) to disqualify someone no matter what the rationale is always wrong. AND it still takes place. Your justification of it is pretty good evidence of that fact. Agreed, it *IS* wrong to exclude based on class, just as it is equally wrong to force hiring due to class. Class should matter not at all for hiring in either direction. The only criteria should be "are they the best qualified person for the job"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #36 October 24, 2005 First...I said they probably are an exception. Forget about the slava and canadian. They're still white...nice try though. Now tell me, how does the compenstation of the minorities in that group compared to non-minority peers? And last, even if it IS equitable, they are fortunate. I never said that all or even most companies are discriminatory. I said that it exists and is widespread. Your one example doesn't dispute that. The facts and figures from the US federal gov't regarding the issue, supports what I'm saying. Sorry to be contradictory, but you're still wrong, despite your anecdotal evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #37 October 24, 2005 QuoteQuote'Scuse me, I have to go take the pot pie out of the oven, and I think I just felt a contraction... where'd I put my shoes? LMFAO, thanks for that. The GAO report said that women make 80% less than men, but that gender discrimination was only one factor. The "mommy track" seemed to be a big factor too. Based on info I've read, men work an average of 44hrs/wk, where women work an average of 41hrs/wk, which accounts for a large % of the pay gap. Also, men tend to work in more dangerous jobs (99% of all people killed on the job are men), and tend to pursue jobs that require more travel than women do. The book I posted a link to explains things pretty well. Quote Where I work (both jobs), my female coworkers doing the same job get paid the same Same here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steel 0 #38 October 24, 2005 QuoteFirst...I said they probably are an exception. ===================== You only said that because if proves that your arguement is a bunch of blogny. --------------------------------------------------- Forget about the slava and canadian. They're still white...nice try though. ================================= Then I guess the French, Portuguese, Italian and Spanish and all the country with people whoose ancestry is white. Actually they are but according to people with the limited mindset that you display they are not. Funny thing is I mentioned slav because the first time I heard somebody whining about all the top executives being "white anglos", it was a slave from Croatia. And it was a crock when he said it just like its a crock when you say it. ------------------------------------------------------- Now tell me, how does the compenstation of the minorities in that group compared to non-minority peers? ================================= Compensation is a forbidden topic as it is most every other company. Speaking about it is grounds for termination. Do you not have a job? Is that why you ask such clueless questions? ------------------------------------------------------- Your one example doesn't dispute that. ============================= actually as I said before now its easy for me to pull up names of people every position in my company because I am here. But I also stated that the situation is no different in the previous companies I have worked. ------------------------------------------------- The facts and figures from the US federal gov't regarding the issue, supports what I'm saying. . No just the misleading ones, you are still wrong. .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #39 October 24, 2005 >Sorry to be contradictory, but you're still wrong, despite your >anecdotal evidence. Unfortunately it looks like Steel is winning this argument, since he has said "no, you're wrong" once more than you have. About the only way you could win at this point would be to post no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong and then hope he cannot type more quickly than you. Of course Steel could still pull the 'stick the fingers in the ears' defense which would render your point moot. (Or worse yet, the enigmatic "I know you are but what am I?" offensive.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #40 October 24, 2005 Quote...3 years ago when Nortel was in the shitter with all the other telecom companies, they layed me off, leading me to almost bankruptcy. Why did they do it? Because they couldn't afford to keep me and the 78K others that they gave walking papers to. They would prefer to watch me drown than to drown with me. Its life . Yeah, I was one of the 70+K...fortunately for me it was in one of the very last batches laid off in Atlanta. One thing I did see in the corporate world was hiring practices that paid homage to diversity where hiring a minority female allowed double-dipping in the quota reports. Two people doing the same job getting paid the same? Hmmmm...I assume that they both did equal work with equal quality, equal timeliness and equal contribution to the bottom line.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #41 October 24, 2005 (not responding to anyone in particular) Ignoring the thread drift... So... women now outnumber women in college. Should this part of AA be dismantled ? Originally, the Take Your Daughters To Work Day was based on partial information by a gender-biased activist group. The original study showed that girls only did 80% as well as boys on math/science areas of achievement tests. A hue and cry was raised. Many mechanisms were set in place to correct this. They have succeeded. Do they need women need special status in college acceptance anymore? Here is the important part: The original study also showed that boys only did 70% as well as girls in English and literature. What was done? nada No one seems to care that boys are failing socially and educationally at an alarming rate. The dangerous part is that our govt policies prevent our govt from addressing these issues. There is a large amount of information by Dr. Dale Spender (a woman) that talks about how these issues were addressed in England. It is being ignored. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #42 October 24, 2005 I think that colleges which seem to show bias (by their gross enrollments, not by careful, laborious, and expensive monitoring) might ought to have some pressure applied to be a little more evenness. However, given the numbers (and my my experience), by and large it's not much of an issue any more. It is still an issue for some people (how many times have you even heard an anecdotal story about a man being told that he shouldn't take math in high school because he wouldn't need it in college?), but probably not that much any more. What special should be done? Well, as soon as people value English and literature I'd assume something will be done about it. And I don't see any reason to discourage efforts to interest women, minorities, or ducks from majoring in sciences, math, or engineering. There's already a program encouraging men, it's called "everyone looks like me." Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #43 October 24, 2005 QuoteIt is still an issue for some people (how many times have you even heard an anecdotal story about a man being told that he shouldn't take math in high school because he wouldn't need it in college?), but probably not that much any more. I believe that is true. Also, the student govt offices in high schools are held predominantly by girls. There is special girls-only programs that mentor young girls there also. Many corporations identify good programs that foster good citizenship and life skills. I resent that my son is not allowed to participate. I really resent it when my govt does it. QuoteWhat special should be done? Well, as soon as people value English and literature I'd assume something will be done about it. In England, the solution was that they changed the content to something that interested boys more. Jane Austen wrote a good romance novel, but she's kind of snoozy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ReBirth 0 #44 October 24, 2005 I have no idea what any of your points in your last post were because none of them were a complete sentence. But...I'll try. QuoteYou only said that because if proves that your arguement is a bunch of blogny. Don't know what blogny is, but my "arguement" has nothing to do with Nortel. That's your argument. Mine is related to the overall conditions nationwide. You are relying on a single company which very well many not have bias in senior managment. Good for them. That still doesn't "prove" that no one else does. QuoteThen I guess the French, Portuguese, Italian and Spanish and all the country with people whoose ancestry is white. You guess what? Is there another half to this sentence. I'd classify them all as white, and so would the US census. QuoteFunny thing is I mentioned slav because the first time I heard somebody whining about all the top executives being "white anglos", it was a slave from Croatia. And it was a crock when he said it just like its a crock when you say it. I never said a thing about white anglos. You did. I was talking about women. QuoteCompensation is a forbidden topic as it is most every other company. Speaking about it is grounds for termination. Do you not have a job? Is that why you ask such clueless questions? Yes, I have a job. And I believe Nortel is a public corporation. That means their sr managment compensation MUST be published. Do you not work for a public corporation? Is that why you ask such a clueless question? Quoteactually as I said before now its easy for me to pull up names of people every position in my company because I am here. But I also stated that the situation is no different in the previous companies I have worked. And you've worked for every company in the country? Wow...amazing!!! Your anecdotes mean squat. Corporations are usually better at towing the line than small businesses. I've worked for a lot of small businesses and in a couple of them the owners/managers were biased and showed it. Facts, by definition, can't be misleading. Only their interpretation. Bottom line. I don't dispute that you've never encountered discrimination. But for you to claim that no one else does is completely ludicrous. And....wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Channman 2 #45 October 24, 2005 Although a good education is important, obtaining a degree or a decision not to obtain one does'nt replace hard work and common since. My little sister, never completed college, and started working at AIG as a $5.00 an hour clerk. Within a time of 18 years she worked her way into a Vice President position with the company and has recently left after being given a better oppertunity with another Insurance Company where she now makes over $200K. My little sister is now only 41 years of age, well on her way to the top of her field. Thats women power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steel 0 #46 October 24, 2005 QuoteThen I guess the French, Portuguese, Italian and Spanish and all the country with people whoose ancestry is white. I'd classify them all as white, and so would the US census. I never said a thing about white anglos. You did. I was talking about women. Ok, I am not going to sit here and goes tit for tat with you. I can simply see that you are a liberal and sense with you is hopeless. I will just answer that which I quoted above. The U.S. cencus is crap. They do not know the difference between race, nationality and religion. I am sure that they have a lot of people who throughly understand these classifications. But they then ignore facts and go with the most liberal side. Example minority means less than half but women are more than half, yet the cencus considers them a minority. Cuban is a nationality but according to the cencus it is part of a "Hispanic" race. That is dumb. To believe that suddenly a new race has emerged. Its even dumber when you see a Dominican of total African descent put in the same classification as a White Spaniard whose ancestors were the slave owners of the black guy's ancestor. It goes even further because there were natives "Indians" living many parts of central and South America. But now because Spain conquered those places the natives are suddenly the same race as the Europeans (Spaniards) Also it was Wendy that brought up the idea that mostly white men were there now that people other than white men were at a disadvantage. You may go on your merry way with all your WRONG opinions. But I am done here. .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #38 October 24, 2005 QuoteFirst...I said they probably are an exception. ===================== You only said that because if proves that your arguement is a bunch of blogny. --------------------------------------------------- Forget about the slava and canadian. They're still white...nice try though. ================================= Then I guess the French, Portuguese, Italian and Spanish and all the country with people whoose ancestry is white. Actually they are but according to people with the limited mindset that you display they are not. Funny thing is I mentioned slav because the first time I heard somebody whining about all the top executives being "white anglos", it was a slave from Croatia. And it was a crock when he said it just like its a crock when you say it. ------------------------------------------------------- Now tell me, how does the compenstation of the minorities in that group compared to non-minority peers? ================================= Compensation is a forbidden topic as it is most every other company. Speaking about it is grounds for termination. Do you not have a job? Is that why you ask such clueless questions? ------------------------------------------------------- Your one example doesn't dispute that. ============================= actually as I said before now its easy for me to pull up names of people every position in my company because I am here. But I also stated that the situation is no different in the previous companies I have worked. ------------------------------------------------- The facts and figures from the US federal gov't regarding the issue, supports what I'm saying. . No just the misleading ones, you are still wrong. .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #39 October 24, 2005 >Sorry to be contradictory, but you're still wrong, despite your >anecdotal evidence. Unfortunately it looks like Steel is winning this argument, since he has said "no, you're wrong" once more than you have. About the only way you could win at this point would be to post no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, no you're wrong and then hope he cannot type more quickly than you. Of course Steel could still pull the 'stick the fingers in the ears' defense which would render your point moot. (Or worse yet, the enigmatic "I know you are but what am I?" offensive.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #40 October 24, 2005 Quote...3 years ago when Nortel was in the shitter with all the other telecom companies, they layed me off, leading me to almost bankruptcy. Why did they do it? Because they couldn't afford to keep me and the 78K others that they gave walking papers to. They would prefer to watch me drown than to drown with me. Its life . Yeah, I was one of the 70+K...fortunately for me it was in one of the very last batches laid off in Atlanta. One thing I did see in the corporate world was hiring practices that paid homage to diversity where hiring a minority female allowed double-dipping in the quota reports. Two people doing the same job getting paid the same? Hmmmm...I assume that they both did equal work with equal quality, equal timeliness and equal contribution to the bottom line.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #41 October 24, 2005 (not responding to anyone in particular) Ignoring the thread drift... So... women now outnumber women in college. Should this part of AA be dismantled ? Originally, the Take Your Daughters To Work Day was based on partial information by a gender-biased activist group. The original study showed that girls only did 80% as well as boys on math/science areas of achievement tests. A hue and cry was raised. Many mechanisms were set in place to correct this. They have succeeded. Do they need women need special status in college acceptance anymore? Here is the important part: The original study also showed that boys only did 70% as well as girls in English and literature. What was done? nada No one seems to care that boys are failing socially and educationally at an alarming rate. The dangerous part is that our govt policies prevent our govt from addressing these issues. There is a large amount of information by Dr. Dale Spender (a woman) that talks about how these issues were addressed in England. It is being ignored. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #42 October 24, 2005 I think that colleges which seem to show bias (by their gross enrollments, not by careful, laborious, and expensive monitoring) might ought to have some pressure applied to be a little more evenness. However, given the numbers (and my my experience), by and large it's not much of an issue any more. It is still an issue for some people (how many times have you even heard an anecdotal story about a man being told that he shouldn't take math in high school because he wouldn't need it in college?), but probably not that much any more. What special should be done? Well, as soon as people value English and literature I'd assume something will be done about it. And I don't see any reason to discourage efforts to interest women, minorities, or ducks from majoring in sciences, math, or engineering. There's already a program encouraging men, it's called "everyone looks like me." Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #43 October 24, 2005 QuoteIt is still an issue for some people (how many times have you even heard an anecdotal story about a man being told that he shouldn't take math in high school because he wouldn't need it in college?), but probably not that much any more. I believe that is true. Also, the student govt offices in high schools are held predominantly by girls. There is special girls-only programs that mentor young girls there also. Many corporations identify good programs that foster good citizenship and life skills. I resent that my son is not allowed to participate. I really resent it when my govt does it. QuoteWhat special should be done? Well, as soon as people value English and literature I'd assume something will be done about it. In England, the solution was that they changed the content to something that interested boys more. Jane Austen wrote a good romance novel, but she's kind of snoozy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #44 October 24, 2005 I have no idea what any of your points in your last post were because none of them were a complete sentence. But...I'll try. QuoteYou only said that because if proves that your arguement is a bunch of blogny. Don't know what blogny is, but my "arguement" has nothing to do with Nortel. That's your argument. Mine is related to the overall conditions nationwide. You are relying on a single company which very well many not have bias in senior managment. Good for them. That still doesn't "prove" that no one else does. QuoteThen I guess the French, Portuguese, Italian and Spanish and all the country with people whoose ancestry is white. You guess what? Is there another half to this sentence. I'd classify them all as white, and so would the US census. QuoteFunny thing is I mentioned slav because the first time I heard somebody whining about all the top executives being "white anglos", it was a slave from Croatia. And it was a crock when he said it just like its a crock when you say it. I never said a thing about white anglos. You did. I was talking about women. QuoteCompensation is a forbidden topic as it is most every other company. Speaking about it is grounds for termination. Do you not have a job? Is that why you ask such clueless questions? Yes, I have a job. And I believe Nortel is a public corporation. That means their sr managment compensation MUST be published. Do you not work for a public corporation? Is that why you ask such a clueless question? Quoteactually as I said before now its easy for me to pull up names of people every position in my company because I am here. But I also stated that the situation is no different in the previous companies I have worked. And you've worked for every company in the country? Wow...amazing!!! Your anecdotes mean squat. Corporations are usually better at towing the line than small businesses. I've worked for a lot of small businesses and in a couple of them the owners/managers were biased and showed it. Facts, by definition, can't be misleading. Only their interpretation. Bottom line. I don't dispute that you've never encountered discrimination. But for you to claim that no one else does is completely ludicrous. And....wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #45 October 24, 2005 Although a good education is important, obtaining a degree or a decision not to obtain one does'nt replace hard work and common since. My little sister, never completed college, and started working at AIG as a $5.00 an hour clerk. Within a time of 18 years she worked her way into a Vice President position with the company and has recently left after being given a better oppertunity with another Insurance Company where she now makes over $200K. My little sister is now only 41 years of age, well on her way to the top of her field. Thats women power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #46 October 24, 2005 QuoteThen I guess the French, Portuguese, Italian and Spanish and all the country with people whoose ancestry is white. I'd classify them all as white, and so would the US census. I never said a thing about white anglos. You did. I was talking about women. Ok, I am not going to sit here and goes tit for tat with you. I can simply see that you are a liberal and sense with you is hopeless. I will just answer that which I quoted above. The U.S. cencus is crap. They do not know the difference between race, nationality and religion. I am sure that they have a lot of people who throughly understand these classifications. But they then ignore facts and go with the most liberal side. Example minority means less than half but women are more than half, yet the cencus considers them a minority. Cuban is a nationality but according to the cencus it is part of a "Hispanic" race. That is dumb. To believe that suddenly a new race has emerged. Its even dumber when you see a Dominican of total African descent put in the same classification as a White Spaniard whose ancestors were the slave owners of the black guy's ancestor. It goes even further because there were natives "Indians" living many parts of central and South America. But now because Spain conquered those places the natives are suddenly the same race as the Europeans (Spaniards) Also it was Wendy that brought up the idea that mostly white men were there now that people other than white men were at a disadvantage. You may go on your merry way with all your WRONG opinions. But I am done here. .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #47 October 24, 2005 No problem...continue living with your head in the sand. You obviously don't care, so why even worry about it? There's no problem because it doesn't affect you and you haven't personally witnessed it...all is fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
