Yet another waste of research time...

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Be careful of what or whom you vote against. You might not like what you end up with.

It is safe to say that is precisely why so many people could not bring themselves to vote against Kerry, as poor a candidate as he was.

I think for the most part, their fears have manifested.

Nice try Chris, but no banana. I don't think many who voted against Kerry voted for Bush. As poor a candidate as Kerry admittedly was, it is undeniable that for many, a vote for Kerry was simply a vote against Bush.

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Nice try Chris, but no banana. I don't think many who voted against Kerry voted for Bush. As poor a candidate as Kerry admittedly was, it is undeniable that for many, a vote for Kerry was simply a vote against Bush.

I am confident that many people that voted for Kerry did in fact feel he was the best candidate.

Don't get me wrong, there were also many who simply voted against Bush. I think there is a strong argument that they were justified in that action.

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Nice try Chris, but no banana. I don't think many who voted against Kerry voted for Bush. As poor a candidate as Kerry admittedly was, it is undeniable that for many, a vote for Kerry was simply a vote against Bush.

I am confident that many people that voted for Kerry did in fact feel he was the best candidate.

Don't get me wrong, there were also many who simply voted against Bush. I think there is a strong argument that they were justified in that action.

So you think Kerry would have been a better President? If so, why? Would you like me to post what Kerry said about invading Iraq before the lefties decided it would be politically advantageous to blame it all on Bush?

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Nice try Chris, but no banana. I don't think many who voted against Kerry voted for Bush. As poor a candidate as Kerry admittedly was, it is undeniable that for many, a vote for Kerry was simply a vote against Bush.

I am confident that many people that voted for Kerry did in fact feel he was the best candidate.

Don't get me wrong, there were also many who simply voted against Bush. I think there is a strong argument that they were justified in that action.

So you think Kerry would have been a better President? If so, why? Would you like me to post what Kerry said about invading Iraq before the lefties decided it would be politically advantageous to blame it all on Bush?

oh pretty please would ya would ya would ya? c'mon!!! do it DO IT MAN!!!

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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So you think Kerry would have been a better President? If so, why? Would you like me to post what Kerry said about invading Iraq before the lefties decided it would be politically advantageous to blame it all on Bush?

Well, actually I didn't say what I thought.

I think Kerry would have made a lousy president, much better than the one presently in office.

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Well, actually I didn't say what I thought.

I think Kerry would have made a lousy president, much better than the one presently in office.

How is that different than saying he would have been a better President than Bush?

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How is that different than saying he would have been a better President than Bush?

Um...Isn't that what I said?

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think Kerry would have made a lousy president, much better than the one presently in office.

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Can you name a single goal that Bush stated he would accomplish actually getting done? Anything? Seems to me a lot of people support what he says, but those people seem to ignore the lack of any success in anything. Please, show me a single quote of his stating that he will do something, that he's actually done. And nothing unfinished. He said he'd attack Iraq, and he did. But I wouldn't call that a success quite yet (hopefully it will be soon).

Seriously, I'm not trying to bait anyone. The promises that I remember Bush making, and that I thought would be great if he accomplished have not come to fruition. Off the top of my head...

-Affordable healthcare
-Fully funding Pell grants
-Expanding Liheap
-Funding a program to assist Russia in dismantling their nuclear weapons
-CUT SPENDING!!! (this one really pisses me off)
-focusing income tax cuts on low income families
-HE PROMISED TO PAY THE DEBT DOWN TO HISTORICALLY LOW LEVELS
-HE WILL LOCK AWAY THE SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS

The three in caps should be frustrating to conservatives, no?

Anyway...those are the promises he's made that I recall being important to me. He hasn't accomplished any of them.

Please, tell me he's done something (that doesn't involve killing people) that he said he'd do.

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-Affordable healthcare
-Fully funding Pell grants
-Expanding Liheap
-Funding a program to assist Russia in dismantling their nuclear weapons
-CUT SPENDING!!! (this one really pisses me off)
-focusing income tax cuts on low income families
-HE PROMISED TO PAY THE DEBT DOWN TO HISTORICALLY LOW LEVELS
-HE WILL LOCK AWAY THE SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS
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that is frustrating... that's why I try not to even listen anymore when a politician opens his pie hole w/ promises... they typically mean shite.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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This has been debated ad nauseum and has nothing to do with what we are discussing. If you want to turn it into another Bush bash, why not start another thread? If you want to discuss with me whether it is more sensible to vote for or against a candidate, please continue.

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This has been debated ad nauseum and has nothing to do with what we are discussing. If you want to turn it into another Bush bash, why not start another thread? If you want to discuss with me whether it is more sensible to vote for or against a candidate, please continue.

Where is the line? When does it go from voting against the candidate you feel is less qualified of the two to voting for the candidate that is more qualified of the two? What is the difference, really, except our personal opinion of the quality of the best candidate running.

Gravitymaster, do you really think that GWB was the best the Republican Party had to offer in 2000? What about with the benefit of hindsight? I don't think Gore was the best possible nominee from the Democrats. Nor was Kerry in 2004.

With our current system, it would be nice to see two candidates run that had a history of working well together directly in a bipartisan manner, if for no other reason, it would help promote a clean campaign focusing on real issues.
Hell, let them hit the campaign trail together so that people can hear what both of them have to say at the same time. That might actually foster more knowledgeable voters.

Personally, I believe the nation would be best served by an outsider from politics, someone who can get inside, not help but notice the absurdity of our current system and work for real change, someone who has the integrity to do what is right, and not what is in the best interests of the biggest campaign contributors.
I want to see someone in office that is actually representative of the best our nation has to offer.

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Personally, I believe the nation would be best served by an outsider from politics, someone who can get inside, not help but notice the absurdity of our current system and work for real change, someone who has the integrity to do what is right, and not what is in the best interests of the biggest campaign contributors.
I want to see someone in office that is actually representative of the best our nation has to offer.***


Is this where someone says BILLVON in 2008?

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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This has been debated ad nauseum and has nothing to do with what we are discussing. If you want to turn it into another Bush bash, why not start another thread? If you want to discuss with me whether it is more sensible to vote for or against a candidate, please continue.

Where is the line? When does it go from voting against the candidate you feel is less qualified of the two to voting for the candidate that is more qualified of the two? What is the difference, really, except our personal opinion of the quality of the best candidate running.

Gravitymaster, do you really think that GWB was the best the Republican Party had to offer in 2000? What about with the benefit of hindsight? I don't think Gore was the best possible nominee from the Democrats. Nor was Kerry in 2004.

With our current system, it would be nice to see two candidates run that had a history of working well together directly in a bipartisan manner, if for no other reason, it would help promote a clean campaign focusing on real issues.
Hell, let them hit the campaign trail together so that people can hear what both of them have to say at the same time. That might actually foster more knowledgeable voters.

Personally, I believe the nation would be best served by an outsider from politics, someone who can get inside, not help but notice the absurdity of our current system and work for real change, someone who has the integrity to do what is right, and not what is in the best interests of the biggest campaign contributors.
I want to see someone in office that is actually representative of the best our nation has to offer.

Chris, we are in agreement with everything you are saying. Seriously, no argument here. I only responded to Kallends post that those who voted for Bush had less common sense than those who voted against him.

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Is this where someone says sings BILLVON in 2008?

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You know, if one person, just one person, does it, they may think he's really sick and they won't take him [seriously].

And if two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both [gay] and they won't take either of them [seriously].

And if three people do it! Can you imagine three people walkin' in, singin' a bar of "[Billvon in 2008]" and walkin' out? They may think it's an organization!

And can you imagine fifty people a day? I said FIFTY people a day . . . walkin' in, singin' a bar of "Billvon in 2008" and walkin' out? Friends, they may think it's a MOVEMENT, and that's what it is: THE BILLVON IN 2008 ANTI-MASSACREE MOVEMENT! . . .

Billvon 2008

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Is this where someone says sings BILLVON in 2008?

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You know, if one person, just one person, does it, they may think he's really sick and they won't take him [seriously].

And if two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both [gay] and they won't take either of them [seriously].

And if three people do it! Can you imagine three people walkin' in, singin' a bar of "[Billvon in 2008]" and walkin' out? They may think it's an organization!

And can you imagine fifty people a day? I said FIFTY people a day . . . walkin' in, singin' a bar of "Billvon in 2008" and walkin' out? Friends, they may think it's a MOVEMENT, and that's what it is: THE BILLVON IN 2008 ANTI-MASSACREE MOVEMENT! . . .

Billvon 2008

easy, little donkey! take a valium! or two!

Sudsyfist 2008

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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easy, little donkey! take a valium! or two!

Actually I just had that song (Alice's Restaurant by Arlo Guthrie) out of my head when I read your post.

Sudsyfist 2008

Billvon might vote for him!

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easy, little donkey! take a valium! or two!

Actually I just had that song (Alice's Restaurant by Arlo Guthrie) out of my head when I read your post.

Sudsyfist 2008

Billvon might vote for him!

bahahaha!!!

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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Is this where someone says BILLVON in 2008?

Moot because BillVon isn’t electable. His rapid departure from Fordham Law School, and related circumstances, would murder him with the electorate. This isn’t necessarily a good thing, but I doubt he can overcome it. Welcome to Politics 101.


Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners!

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Billvon might vote for him!

bahahaha!!!

Dude, that is so impossible on so many levels, I don't even know where to begin. Talk about SCANDALOUS!!!

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s this where someone says BILLVON in 2008?

Moot because BillVon isn’t electable. . .circumstances, would murder him with the electorate. This isn’t necessarily a good thing, but I doubt he can overcome it. Welcome to Politics 101.


Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners!

Already your using mudslinging tactics! Are you afraid to have to share a ballot with Billvon?

Focus on the issues!

Maybe HH will host the debates.

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Maybe HH will host the debates.

Yeah, right. You trying to get me banned?

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This has been debated ad nauseum and has nothing to do with what we are discussing. If you want to turn it into another Bush bash, why not start another thread? If you want to discuss with me whether it is more sensible to vote for or against a candidate, please continue.

I'm not bashing at all. I seriously and honestly want to know if he's lived up to anything? Please enlighten me. I'm giving you the opportunity to espouse some of the good things about Bush. I have to believe there are some, I just personally haven't found any. If you can educate me, please do.

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And besides...what we were discussing was fat people. So maybe you should have started a new thread

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And besides...what we were discussing was fat people. So maybe you should have started a new thread

Hey tell Kallend, he started it.

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This has been debated ad nauseum and has nothing to do with what we are discussing. If you want to turn it into another Bush bash, why not start another thread? If you want to discuss with me whether it is more sensible to vote for or against a candidate, please continue.

I'm not bashing at all. I seriously and honestly want to know if he's lived up to anything? Please enlighten me. I'm giving you the opportunity to espouse some of the good things about Bush. I have to believe there are some, I just personally haven't found any. If you can educate me, please do.

1. He's not a fat girl (relevance to this thread).

2. He's better than the neo-cons think Kerry or Gore would have been, if elected.

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