SpeedRacer 1 #76 October 23, 2005 BWAHAHAHAHhahah!!! On Saturday Night Live they just did a parody of Bush's "spontaneous" interview with troops in Iraq!! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #77 October 23, 2005 QuoteOk, here's non-circumstantial evidence.... we gave him chemical weapons in the 70s, it was proved he used them on his own poeple in the 80s. Plus, we know he had x amount of anthrax, but when files were produced, they found a massive amount were just "missing." Explain the "missing" anthrax. That's good enough reason to go in. So yeah, the guy had WMDs, it's just a question of when and where he moved them. 1. You didn't say who gave him the anthrax? 2. In 1991 we bombed Iraq's military and strategic assets to hell. It seems you think we carefully and deliberately avoided destroying any chemical or biological stuff so that we could later claim "hey, we gave it to him so he must still have it"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #78 October 23, 2005 You posted a speech dated Jan. 29, 2003 only to support your view of the reasons for war. Here's the speech Bush gave on the eve of the war in Iraq. QuoteNot a lot in the following about humanitarian reasons: The reasons for invading Iraq, by G.W. Bush, Jan 29, 2003 (SOTU Address to Congress) Quote President Bush Addresses the Nation The Oval Office President's Remarks March 19, 2003 10:16 P.M. EST THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger. On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign. More than 35 countries are giving crucial support -- from the use of naval and air bases, to help with intelligence and logistics, to the deployment of combat units. Every nation in this coalition has chosen to bear the duty and share the honor of serving in our common defense. To all the men and women of the United States Armed Forces now in the Middle East, the peace of a troubled world and the hopes of an oppressed people now depend on you. That trust is well placed. The enemies you confront will come to know your skill and bravery. The people you liberate will witness the honorable and decent spirit of the American military. In this conflict, America faces an enemy who has no regard for conventions of war or rules of morality. Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops and equipment in civilian areas, attempting to use innocent men, women and children as shields for his own military -- a final atrocity against his people. I want Americans and all the world to know that coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm. A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California could be longer and more difficult than some predict. And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment. We come to Iraq with respect for its citizens, for their great civilization and for the religious faiths they practice. We have no ambition in Iraq, except to remove a threat and restore control of that country to its own people. I know that the families of our military are praying that all those who serve will return safely and soon. Millions of Americans are praying with you for the safety of your loved ones and for the protection of the innocent. For your sacrifice, you have the gratitude and respect of the American people. And you can know that our forces will be coming home as soon as their work is done. Our nation enters this conflict reluctantly -- yet, our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder. We will meet that threat now, with our Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard and Marines, so that we do not have to meet it later with armies of fire fighters and police and doctors on the streets of our cities. Now that conflict has come, the only way to limit its duration is to apply decisive force. And I assure you, this will not be a campaign of half measures, and we will accept no outcome but victory. My fellow citizens, the dangers to our country and the world will be overcome. We will pass through this time of peril and carry on the work of peace. We will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others and we will prevail. May God bless our country and all who defend her. END 10:20 P.M. EST So to say there were no humanitarian reasons is very misleading, don't you think? To post a speech given 2 months before the war and to represent it as the reasons given for war is also extremely mileading, don't you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #79 October 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteOk, here's non-circumstantial evidence.... we gave him chemical weapons in the 70s, it was proved he used them on his own poeple in the 80s. Plus, we know he had x amount of anthrax, but when files were produced, they found a massive amount were just "missing." Explain the "missing" anthrax. That's good enough reason to go in. So yeah, the guy had WMDs, it's just a question of when and where he moved them. 1. You didn't say who gave him the anthrax? 2. In 1991 we bombed Iraq's military and strategic assets to hell. It seems you think we carefully and deliberately avoided destroying any chemical or biological stuff so that we could later claim "hey, we gave it to him so he must still have it"? Biological weapons are probably the easiest to hide. Nerve agenst too. In fact, if you gave me 100 chemical artillery shells, I could hide them all in an area the size of Rhode Island (100th the size of Iraq) and you wouldn't find them for 10 years. Little bio-viles, 100 years. Your argument about the damage we did to him in 1991 is understandable, but it needs to be remembered that he had redundancy, just like any military would. Just like the US doesn't put all its armies, bombers, missiles in one place, etc.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #80 October 23, 2005 Their filters won't even see what you noted. Hell, the left is so hell-bent against the President, they're acting as if he's running again in 2008.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #81 October 23, 2005 QuoteTheir filters won't even see what you noted. Hell, the left is so hell-bent against the President, they're acting as if he's running again in 2008. I know, but at least we can still laugh at them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #82 October 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteTheir filters won't even see what you noted. Hell, the left is so hell-bent against the President, they're acting as if he's running again in 2008. I know, but at least we can still laugh at them. So, who gave Saddam the anthrax? Laugh about that. Laugh about the record deficit, too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #83 October 23, 2005 " england and French msight as well be thse same country" There arew a lot of things the English dislike about the french coulture , we could never be the same country - look at previous tension both political and national in the past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #84 October 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteTheir filters won't even see what you noted. Hell, the left is so hell-bent against the President, they're acting as if he's running again in 2008. I know, but at least we can still laugh at them. So, who gave Saddam the anthrax? Laugh about that. Laugh about the record deficit, too. Touchy, touchy...... One thing at a time. Right now I'm laughing at the Blame Bush Posts. Actually, guffaw would be a more accurate description. You know where you kinda hold onto your belly and howl. Although I am just as concerned as you about the deficits and probably more so because I will have to bear a larger dollar share , I can't imagine they would be any less if Kerry had been elected. I've been meaning to ask you. Can it be proven beyond just a theory, that atoms exist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #85 October 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTheir filters won't even see what you noted. Hell, the left is so hell-bent against the President, they're acting as if he's running again in 2008. I know, but at least we can still laugh at them. So, who gave Saddam the anthrax? Laugh about that. Laugh about the record deficit, too. Touchy, touchy...... One thing at a time. Right now I'm laughing at the Blame Bush Posts. Actually, guffaw would be a more accurate description. You know where you kinda hold onto your belly and howl. Although I am just as concerned as you about the deficits and probably more so because I will have to bear a larger dollar share , I can't imagine they would be any less if Kerry had been elected. I've been meaning to ask you. Can it be proven beyond just a theory, that atoms exist? I've seen them - so they exist for me. More to the point, pretty much every prediction of atomic theory is confirmed by experiment, from the laws of chemical combination to X-ray diffraction from crystals to mass spectrometry to nuclear (nukular for some) bombs...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
