Way to go Bill

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171995,00.html

Finally, a mainstream media person has dared to tell the truth about the ACLU. He needs to be thanked!

On his program on October 12, Bill O'Reilly exposed [email]the ACLU for what it is. His is the strongest, most accurate definition of the ACLU that I have ever seen or read by a member of the mainstream media.

Click here to read O'Reilly's comments. Be sure to scroll down this page to see just what the ACLU opposes and what they support!

We should remember the way the ACLU works to get their agenda into law. They have never taken a single issue to the public and worked through the democratic system of voting. Rather, they find a sympathetic liberal activist judge to make law from the bench.

To place your name on the thank you note to Bill O'Reilly for his public exposure of the agenda of the ACLU, Click Here.

Thanks for caring enough to get involved. Please forward this to your friends and family.

Sincerely,

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

Here are some issues the ACLU supports:
Legalization of homosexual marriage
Legalization of child pornography
Legalization of prostitution
Legalization of live sex acts in public
Legalization of sex between adults and children
The ACLU defends the North American Man Boy Love Association whose motto is "sex before 8 or it is too late."
Removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance
Removing our motto "In God We Trust" from our money
Forcing the Boy Scouts to accept homosexual scout leaders
Removing prayer from school and public events
Abortion on demand, without parental consent
Legalizing illicit drugs
Physician assisted suicide
Partial-birth abortion
Mandatory sex education
Legalized polygamy
Tax supported profane art

Here is what the ACLU is against:
Parental notification for minors having abortion
School vouchers
Filters on public library computers
Student led prayer in schools
Nativity scenes on public property
Sex offender registries
Broadcast decency laws
"Choose Life" license plates
Tax exemptions for churches
Posting of the Ten Commandments of public property
Prayers before high school football games
Parental consent laws
"Abstinence before marriage" sex education
To confirm these facts, or to learn more, simply place the words "ACLU supports" or "ACLU opposes" in your search bar.

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[billvon 3,084]

Let's apply the same logic to the authors of that letter, the American Family Association.

The American Family Association supports:
-Gay discrimination
-Censorship
-Homophobia
-Religious tests for public office
-Altering the original US constitution to push their message

The American Family Association opposes:
-Free speech
-Women's rights
-Equal rights for all citizens
-Patient's rights
-Cosmopolitan magazine (and other 'glossy magazines')

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Let's apply the same logic to the authors of that letter, the American Family Association.

The American Family Association supports:
-Gay discrimination
-Censorship
-Homophobia
-Religious tests for public office
-Altering the original US constitution to push their message

The American Family Association opposes:
-Free speech
-Women's rights
-Equal rights for all citizens
-Patient's rights
-Cosmopolitan magazine (and other 'glossy magazines')

Wow, I went to www.afa.net looking for the discrimination and censorship advocation. Couldn't find it. I don't support them, but your little list, Bill, is just short of shrill. http://www.afa.net/about.asp#afa

Also, if you actually read their mission statement, it mentions nothing which you cite at all.

Clearly, they have an agenda, but I think you have grossly mischaracterized it.

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As far as what they support...

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Legalization of child pornography.

Bullshit, they do not advocate child pornography.

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Legalization of prostitution

Sure beats allowing pimps to run the game.

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Legalization of live sex acts in public

If you have to pay to get into the exhibit, it's public but not exactly like it's being done on your front porch.

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Legalization of sex between adults and children
The ACLU defends the North American Man Boy Love Association whose motto is "sex before 8 or it is too late."

This is redundant. Anyway, they do not argue for this to be legal, only for the weirdos to make their opinions heard on the subject.

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Removing our motto "In God We Trust" from our money

Try to find an American bill that has this statement printed on it prior to the 1950's. (Hint: You won't. But if you look long enough you will find it on a coin. The irony of that fact is that it was the first coin minted that was backed soley by the US government...so, the very first time this statement was used on currency in the US, it was presented tongue-in-cheek. I would assume this was what you would consider blasphemy.)

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Legalizing illicit drugs

At least some group has the sense to see that the War on Drugs is a misguided failure and is willing to say it.

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Mandatory sex education

We require that a child should be able to read and write. We also require that a child be introduced to the basic sciences. Should we allow them to remain ignorant about their own bodies? Judgment call, I guess.

So...where do I sign up?

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I never can remember if it's American Criminal Liberals Union or American Communists and Liberals United.



I support some of what the ACLU supports - legalization of drugs and prostitution. I'm ambivalent about gay marriage - I could care less.

Most of what they support, however, I find utterly despicable. They have their own warped, left-wing-wacko agenda and pick and choose the cases they bring carefully, whilst ignoring others. Bryson City Schools, for example, had children reciting verses from the Koran, staging a mock Jihad, and that sort of thing - no ACLU case. Imagine if a public school system had kids memorizing Bible verses...think they'd be all over that? Of course they would.

I don't watch O'Reilly very often because he's been so off point so often in the past, but in this case he's right on the money for the most part. The ACLU is a radical organization and a disgrace to its charter.

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I don't watch O'Reilly very often because he's been so off point so often in the past, but in this case he's right on the money for the most part. The ACLU is a radical organization and a disgrace to its charter.

O'Reilly badly misses the point, and so do you. The ACLU isn't about popularity, or bringing out the will of the majority. It's solely about civil liberties and the extreme application of the slippery slope principle. They did decide to white out the 2nd Amendment for some odd reason, but it's crazy to point out that they're a radical group. They've fought for fringe groups all across the political spectrum.

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O'Reilly badly misses the point, and so do you.

I think not.

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The ACLU isn't about popularity, or bringing out the will of the majority. It's solely about civil liberties and the extreme application of the slippery slope principle.

It's about advancing the agenda of the far left by means of the court system, since the left is unable to advance its more radical agenda items via legislation.

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They did decide to white out the 2nd Amendment for some odd reason,

One of myriad reasons the organization is a disgrace to its charter. They support civil liberties, but only the ones convenient to them and their leftist pals.

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but it's crazy to point out that they're a radical group. They've fought for fringe groups all across the political spectrum.

Such as NAMBLA, the KKK, and other classy[sic] groups of people.

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Let's apply the same logic to the authors of that letter, the American Family Association.

The American Family Association supports:
-Gay discrimination
-Censorship
-Homophobia
-Religious tests for public office
-Altering the original US constitution to push their message

The American Family Association opposes:
-Free speech
-Women's rights
-Equal rights for all citizens
-Patient's rights
-Cosmopolitan magazine (and other 'glossy magazines')

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Wow... no spin there, eh bill? sheesh...

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Wow... no spin there, eh bill? sheesh...

Uhh, thats the whole point, see at the top where he says 'applying the same logic'?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Wow... no spin there, eh bill? sheesh...

Uhh, thats the whole point, see at the top where he says 'applying the same logic'?

but he's not applying the same logic... the aclu actually supports some of that shit...

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[billvon 3,084]

>Wow, I went to http://www.afa.net looking for the discrimination and censorship advocation.

Read more closely. They support the Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act, for example, an act that censors broadcasters more strongly. They support an anti-gay activist, a self-labeled homophobe. They counsel parents how to grieve when they 'lose' their child to homosexuality. They urge boycott of any company that supports gays. They lobby congress to pass laws restricting the rights of gays.

Now, does that mean that's all they do? Not at all. But you sure can make a group look bad by cherrypicking issues, eh?

>I don't support them, but your little list, Bill, is just short of shrill.

I figured you'd miss the parallel.

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>Wow... no spin there, eh bill?

Of course there's spin. I purposely picked all the bad stuff and ignored the good. Which, of course, is precisely what the first post did.

Now, think the AFA does some good things? That's fine; they do. Realize the ACLU does too.

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>Wow... no spin there, eh bill?

Of course there's spin. I purposely picked all the bad stuff and ignored the good. Which, of course, is precisely what the first post did.

Now, think the AFA does some good things? That's fine; they do. Realize the ACLU does too.

bill, the aclu has gone more and more off the deep end in the last years... if anyone is guilty of sliding down the slippery slope, it's them... they're doing less and less good for society, and more and more harm, w/ each passing year.

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the aclu has gone more and more off the deep end in the last years... if anyone is guilty of sliding down the slippery slope, it's them... they're doing less and less good for society, and more and more harm, w/ each passing year.

I believe the ACLU is needed more now than ever before, especially in light of the present government's attack on civil rights.

Sure would be nice if we didn't need a group like the ACLU, but that's not gonna happen as long as the Republicans or Democrats are in power.

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Now, think the AFA does some good things? That's fine; they do. Realize the ACLU does too

And so does the mafia...doesn't excuse the heinous things they do. How anyone in their right mind can justify defending NAMBLA is beyond me.

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>bill, the aclu has gone more and more off the deep end in the last years...

I think you note the extreme cases. The defense of a guy's right to free speech when he's a nazi or a communist. The right of a guy to own pornography that's extremely offensive. It's easier to overlook the challenge to jurors being excluded from juries because they are women. It's easy to note that the ACLU defends people who think that religion is being mandated; sometimes harder to see that they also defends religions who feel that their message is being outlawed.

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And so does the mafia...doesn't excuse the heinous things they do. How anyone in their right mind can justify defending NAMBLA is beyond me.

There is no free speech where those you oppose the most are not allowed to speak their mind just the same as those you support the most.

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>How anyone in their right mind can justify defending NAMBLA is beyond me.

Same reason people defended blacks back in the day, and why today, outspoken nazis are defended in court when they have the shit beat out of them.

I recall being in a peace march a while back. There were a group of authentic nazis there with their own protest of some sort. I didn't see what it was; I could care less what those lunatics think. But I was glad that no one was beating the crap out of them for thinking (and speaking) it.

Nambla? I think they're a bunch of disturbed freaks who have a very bizarre cause. But provided they don't break any laws they have as much right to spout gibberish as the bag lady on the corner.

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Nambla? I think they're a bunch of disturbed freaks who have a very bizarre cause. But provided they don't break any laws they have as much right to spout gibberish as the bag lady on the corner.

"Spout gibberish?" They have a manual on how to seduce little boys.

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I could care less what those lunatics think

Hey , we just had a discussion about this phrase. Are you from the Boston area?"?

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Also, if you actually read their mission statement, it mentions nothing which you cite at all.

Their mission statement as stated on their web site:

"The American Family Association exists to motivate and equip citizens to change the culture to reflect Biblical truth."

It's obvious that these people are enemies of freedom and want to shape our culture through their extremely narrow view. A type of American taliban.

The AFA can eat shit as far as I'm concerned.

edited to add this very warped excerpt from their "Philosophical Statement" to underline the point:

"Therefore, a culture based on Biblical truth best serves the well-being of our country, in accordance with the vision of our founding fathers."

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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"Therefore, a culture based on Biblical truth best serves the well-being of our country, in accordance with the vision of our founding fathers."

Except our founding fathers were largely non-Christian.

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"Therefore, a culture based on Biblical truth best serves the well-being of our country, in accordance with the vision of our founding fathers."

Except our founding fathers were largely non-Christian.

Which, of course, is why there's no mention of God in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence OR in the writings of the Founding Fathers...

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Except our founding fathers were largely non-Christian.

Which, of course, is why there's no mention of God in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence OR in the writings of the Founding Fathers..

Actually, that is why there is no mention of Jesus in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence.

God is a pretty generic term.

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"Therefore, a culture based on Biblical truth best serves the well-being of our country, in accordance with the vision of our founding fathers."

Except our founding fathers were largely non-Christian.

Which, of course, is why there's no mention of God in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence OR in the writings of the Founding Fathers...

Like these quotes from our founding fathers:

President George Washington, September 17th, 1796
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible"

Patrick Henry
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations."

President John Adams
"The highest story of the American Revolution is this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

President Thomas Jefferson
"The reason that Christianity is the best friend of Government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart."

President John Quincy Adams
"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of the living God."

John Jay, 1777 The first Chief Justice of the United States
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and the interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

James Madison
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments." David Barton's book The Myth of Separation

There are just as many arguments as to why our founding fathers didn't make a stronger effort to actually instill religion into the documents however.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!