EricTheRed 0 #1 October 13, 2005 Veteran, jumper pulled from hospital for pot charge... http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/13/patient.arrest.ap/index.html Maybe there's more to the story (probably is) but it still ticks me off... Maybe these cops should go to Houston to bust somebody for buying a dildo instead.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #2 October 13, 2005 Let me get this straight from the story: --Man is in pain. --Man "grows" marijuana for "his own" pain relief --Feds raid him twice, because growing, and smoking pot is illegal (per federal law) --Man flees to Canada to avoid prosecution (illegal in both countries) --Man is deported back to the US --Man no longer gets to smoke pot for his pain Aside from the ibuprofen screw-up, there are other pain options available, and if he's also wanted in Humbolt County CA, I guarantee he wasn't just growing the sh*t for himself, from Humbolt Co, on up through Crescent City (Del Norte Co, CA) into Oregon is a bunch of hippies. There's more to the story. The method sucked for sure, but I won't hold my heart on my sleeve for this guy. QuoteAlthough Tuck has taken morphine -- as prescribed by doctors -- for about 16 years to help with his pain. ... ... Tuck appeared emaciated in court, and Hiatt said he had been sick from morphine withdrawal. If you're on pain killers for 16 years, it's not the pain that's the problem.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,642 #3 October 13, 2005 Pain is a difficult problem. Yes, there are conditions that can keep you in pain for 16 years. It's not just a matter of "sucking it up and learning to live with it." Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #4 October 13, 2005 What I can't understand is anybody getting thrown out of B.C. for smoking pot. If they keep doing that B.C. will be an unpopulated wasteland They grow the good stuff there "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #5 October 13, 2005 Sounds like the guy was country shopping a little like doctor shopping. I think he was hooked on the wacky weed, as well as the income it may have provided from time to time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #6 October 13, 2005 Quote If you're on pain killers for 16 years, it's not the pain that's the problem. Just because you've personally never experienced or witnessed something does not negate it's existence. I'm surprised you'd even have an attitude like that being around this sport. Long term chronic pain syndromes are quite common. They can be caused by physical injury, sickness or be psychologically based. As far as nerve damage there is very little that modern medical science can do to fix it. While most of us only think of nerve damage in terms of paralysis and numbing there are the reverse: long term sensations of extreme pain, with no way to escape it except medication, mental discipline (pain clinics). I'm sure someone with a medical background can explain this much more accurately than I can, mine is only based on watching half crippled veteran professional wrestlers, and a family member with fybromyalgia (a central nervous system disorder that causes constant and chronic pain). As far as the benefits of THC: In Europe, where research is easier to do, the benefits of THC have been documented at length with regards to its usefulness in damping pain receptors. From what I recall reading several years ago there was some controversy over the mechanism at work. Ingestion of THC based medications has led to mixed results, which is one of the reasons why the medical marijuana proponents push for access to smokeable versions. The cliche about pot smoking for cancer patients is based in reality, as it promotes appetite and reduces nausea. The pot issue is so politically charged that it would be naive to imagine any radical changes in it's adoption as a legitimate drug. In case you may be wondering: nope, I dont smoke it, dont have any strong feelings on it, dont really care about legalizing it except for the economic and positive impact on the legal system. (tangent: I did like someone's idea to abolish all income taxes, have a flat sales tax on everything. At which point all cash outside of the system becomes part of the system. Anyone prepared to estimate the gain/loss involved?). Hmm ok, rambling too much. 16 years and not suicidal? That takes some major balls. I can think of two people off the top of my head in similar situations who gave up. You may want to look into fybromyalgia, spinal injuries, Central Nervous System trauma/damage/treatments and get a clearer idea of what is actually possible as far as a human being experiencing long term pain even after the physical body appears to have 'healed'. Pot legalities not-withstanding - chronic pain syndrome exists. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #7 October 13, 2005 QuotePot legalities not-withstanding - chronic pain syndrome exists. Very true statement. This is the reason I support the legalization of medically used marijuana. There are many ways to control pain, but they all come with side affects. Use Ibuprofen too much and your body produces more pain because it wants more ibuprophen. Long term use of ibuprofen can cause kidney problems. Same goes for acetimenophin, except the liver is the organ in danger. The prescription pain killers are addictive and you develop a tolerance for them. The viscious cycle begins where you need more and more..... You can try homeopathy, but it too has its limitations. Accupuncture, massage therapy, hypnosis, meditation, yoga are all wonderful but mostly ineffective in cases of extreme pain. Every individual is different. What works for one does not necessarily work for the other. Let the folks have their marijuana if that is what brings them relief. And like someone else said, 16 years of chronic pain and he hasn't killed himself, all power to him. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #8 October 14, 2005 I am not disputing the existence or diagnosis of chronic pain. I am disputing the treatment. Persistent treatment for pain, using only pain killers, is, in my non-medical view, bad medicine. Like I said, it's not the pain that's the problem. The problem lies with the doctors and the patient.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #9 October 14, 2005 Having read the story - "His only treatment was ibuprofen for pain relief" and "He was still wearing his catheter when he shuffled into court 5 days later"..... My main hope is that SOMEONE has had the decency to empty the bag on occasion! Those things DON'T just keep on stretching y'all know. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #10 October 14, 2005 Quote Persistent treatment for pain, using only pain killers, is, in my non-medical view, bad medicine. I'm sure the entire medical community have been holding out for your input. Perhaps you have some radically new and untested ideas but generally those people who are using pain meds for extended periods have already tried the available operations. I'm somewhat confused. Your initial knee jerk reaction was : QuoteAside from the ibuprofen screw-up, there are other pain options available, and if he's also wanted in Humbolt County CA, I guarantee he wasn't just growing the sh*t for himself, from Humbolt Co, on up through Crescent City (Del Norte Co, CA) into Oregon is a bunch of hippies. There's more to the story. Perhaps you could point out where your insightful commentary on the current state of CNS treatments and the limitations inherent within the western model of healthcare. Because I see a paragraph full of hyperbole and conjecture. Oh was it: QuoteIf you're on pain killers for 16 years, it's not the pain that's the problem. ? If it was, well - you need to get yourself involved here, and here as these people have been crying out for someone of your insightfulness to help lead them. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #11 October 14, 2005 This isn't kneejerk here, I'm simply expressing my opinion. QuotePerhaps you have some radically new and untested ideas but generally those people who are using pain meds for extended periods have already tried the available operations. I have nothing to offer other than this: In 16 years, I know, without looking at a single medical journal, that pain management/treatment has advanced dramatically beyond simple prescriptions for morphine and other highly addictive narcotics. Part of the treatment is living with, or using therapy to work through, if not eradicate, pain. Either way, a comprehensive way to treat or manage chronic pain is not found solely in drugs. Pot smoking, like cigarette smoking slows the healing process to begin with. Try this summary. QuoteI'm somewhat confused. Your initial knee jerk reaction was : Quote Aside from the ibuprofen screw-up, there are other pain options available, and if he's also wanted in Humbolt County CA, I guarantee he wasn't just growing the sh*t for himself, from Humbolt Co, on up through Crescent City (Del Norte Co, CA) into Oregon is a bunch of hippies. There's more to the story. Perhaps you could point out where your insightful commentary on the current state of CNS treatments and the limitations inherent within the western model of healthcare. Because I see a paragraph full of hyperbole and conjecture. If you've never been to the far northwestern part of California, then I understand why you don't understand that statement. It wasn't conjecture. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 October 14, 2005 Quote If you're on pain killers for 16 years, it's not the pain that's the problem. Please elaborate. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #13 October 14, 2005 QuoteIf you're on pain killers for 16 years, it's not the pain that's the problem. I concur. It is patent that there is some underlying chronic cause for the pain. However, the cause of the pain may NOT be treatable with current medicine. As such, treatment will shift from the cure of the disease or disability to suppression of the symptoms to allow a best "Quality of Life" for the sufferer - even if that treatment is purely palliative or even just psychological. Taking Multiple Sclerosis as an example; Many suffereers of this currently untreatable disease have reported a relief of symptoms through use of Cannabis. There is no clinical justification for this, BUT should those sufferers who derive some PERCEIVED symptomatic relief from their disease be denied the believed benefits from using this substance? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #14 October 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf you're on pain killers for 16 years, it's not the pain that's the problem. I concur. It is patent that there is some underlying chronic cause for the pain. However, the cause of the pain may NOT be treatable with current medicine. As such, treatment will shift from the cure of the disease or disability to suppression of the symptoms to allow a best "Quality of Life" for the sufferer - even if that treatment is purely palliative or even just psychological. Taking Multiple Sclerosis as an example; Many suffereers of this currently untreatable disease have reported a relief of symptoms through use of Cannabis. There is no clinical justification for this, BUT should those sufferers who derive some PERCEIVED symptomatic relief from their disease be denied the believed benefits from using this substance? Mike. I googled "Cannabis Multiple Sclerosis" and it looks like there have been actual medical studies on both sides of the great pond to show that there is more than a perceived relief. Some studies"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,219 #15 October 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you're on pain killers for 16 years, it's not the pain that's the problem. I concur. It is patent that there is some underlying chronic cause for the pain. However, the cause of the pain may NOT be treatable with current medicine. As such, treatment will shift from the cure of the disease or disability to suppression of the symptoms to allow a best "Quality of Life" for the sufferer - even if that treatment is purely palliative or even just psychological. Taking Multiple Sclerosis as an example; Many suffereers of this currently untreatable disease have reported a relief of symptoms through use of Cannabis. There is no clinical justification for this, BUT should those sufferers who derive some PERCEIVED symptomatic relief from their disease be denied the believed benefits from using this substance? Mike. I googled "Cannabis Multiple Sclerosis" and it looks like there have been actual medical studies on both sides of the great pond to show that there is more than a perceived relief. Some studies That cannot possibly be correct - the US Congress has passed an act which states, among other things, that there is NO medical benefit from marijuana. That is the LAW of the LAND. The hell with science, Congress has spoken.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #16 October 14, 2005 QuoteThat cannot possibly be correct - the US Congress has passed an act which states, among other things, that there is NO medical benefit from marijuana. That is the LAW of the LAND. The hell with science, Congress has spoken. Drat !!! You're right !!! Thank goodness I live in Canada and my girl friends father who has Multiple Sclerosis lives in BC. Science wins out over on this side of the border. Now we just have to wait for the results on Intelligent Design "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites