Gee I hope

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Did I say no one ever helps us?? I don't think so.
At a time of high crisis i think we should get our affairs in order and take care of our own. We are in so much debt right now, doling out money to help everyone on the planet, only to be spit on for this or that later, just gets tiring.

Bobbi

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Yeah, there was help, but it could have been more..or earlier..

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/08/katrina.redcross/index.html

The Red Cross was waiting to move in to help. They were ready. The state wouldn't let them in. Many of the money/supplies donations by foreign countries went to the Red Cross specifically for Katrina aid. They had the people and supplies ready, but the government would not let them in to help.

And as for countries giving more... Keep in mind that our economy is huge compared to most of the other countries in the world. We have a lot more money in our economy, so it's hard to draw an accurate comparison just based on dollar figures.

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There is a direct correllation between our handing out money left and right to everyone else and rising prices such as....fuel costs, food prices, etc, all the money handed out could go back into our pockets and keep rising costs down, so average citizens like my parents who are in their 80's and live on a SS check don't have to watch EVERY penny they spend, because they don't know what tomorrow will bring when it comes to the economy.

Bobbi

A miracle is not defined by an event. A miracle is defined by gratitude.

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i think we should get our affairs in order and take care of our own

Yeah...you're right. There are homeless people in my home town, yet the city is putting up these refugees from NO in free housing. What's up with that? They shouldn't get shit until all the homeless that were here already get help first.

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I love how people, and I use the term loosely, want to limit "humanitarian aid" based on imaginary lines on a map.

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average citizens like my parents who are in their 80's and live on a SS check don't have to watch EVERY penny they spend

Why should my tax money be subsidizing your parents. Why don't you take care of your own? Why didn't they save for retirement?

You're right though....it's horrible that elderly people have to budget just so that people who lost their entire TOWN can get some food, shelter, and medicine. Old people need flat screen TVs, goddamnit!!!

Ugghhh..this thread is disgusting.

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average citizens like my parents who are in their 80's and live on a SS check don't have to watch EVERY penny they spend

Why should my tax money be subsidizing your parents. Why don't you take care of your own? Why didn't they save for retirement?

You're right though....it's horrible that elderly people have to budget just so that people who lost their entire TOWN can get some food, shelter, and medicine. Old people need flat screen TVs, goddamnit!!!

Ugghhh..this thread is disgusting.

I agree with your sentiments.

Also,

I see that you are new here. If you plan to stick around SC, you should probably learn to take it in stride and realize that we have many "disgusting" topics here or you are going to have a coronary.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Yeah, those Pakistani and Kashmiri kids are worth so much less than American lives.

Without arguing for or against economic aid to Pakistan, I want to point out your "tongue in cheek" rebuke lacks weight. Who among us don't see to the needs of our own children before we begin to meet the needs of others, no matter how poor they are. Just because I love my kid enough to pay for their college education doesn't mean I'm a bad person because I won't pay for other children's college education. Oh wait, I already do that! (with taxes)

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There is a direct correllation between our handing out money left and right to everyone else and rising prices such as....fuel costs, food prices, etc, all the money handed out could go back into our pockets and keep rising costs down,

And if your correlation theory is correct, then we must not be giving out much of anything. Inflation is and has been at its lowest levels in history for the past several years. What rising prices are you talking about? Besides oil, but that has dick all to do with giving out aid.

Actually, your correlation theory is crap. How does the gov't using tax money on foreign aid cause food prices to increase? Would they be subsidizing grocery stores instead? Ludicrous, ill informed, and just plain wrong.

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I see that you are new here. If you plan to stick around SC, you should probably learn to take it in stride and realize that we have many "disgusting" topics here or you are going to have a coronary.

Thanks...I'll keep that in mind. BTW...there's meaning behind my screen name. Think about it.

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We shouldn't help them at all. It was obviously God punishing Al Queda. Allah might control the wind and rain, but God controls the movement of the earth. Duh.

it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality

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Nicely put.

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There is a direct correllation between our handing out money left and right to everyone else and rising prices such as....fuel costs, food prices, etc, all the money handed out could go back into our pockets and keep rising costs down, so average citizens like my parents who are in their 80's and live on a SS check don't have to watch EVERY penny they spend, because they don't know what tomorrow will bring when it comes to the economy.

Or we could just stop starting wars. That would save us much more money than discontinuing aid. It would build more goodwill towards America, as well.

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Wow, those numbers are interesting, Kuwait/Quatar/UAE really stepped up there... I mean, yes, they have a lot of money, but that much?

[billvon 3,120]

>Or we could just stop starting wars.

And that would be fun . . . how?

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By not helping, they will hate us even more and he will be creating more terrorists etc, etc ..

They're already bitching about the U.S. response being "inadequate". They're going to hate us regardless of what we do, even while eating U.S. food, drinking U.S. bottled water, and living in U.S. tents. So we have to say "fuck it" to all that bullshit, and just help them anyway, just because it's the right thing to do.

[SkydiveStMarys 0]

Just like it was said before.....

Damned if we do, Damned if we don't!!!!

Bobbi

A miracle is not defined by an event. A miracle is defined by gratitude.

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I see that you are new here. If you plan to stick around SC, you should probably learn to take it in stride and realize that we have many "disgusting" topics here or you are going to have a coronary.

He's been around DZ.com, and especially SC, a lot longer than you, it's an interesting screen name he has if you think about it.

Besides, ReBirth is a fellow beer snob, so I have to cut him slack.

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[billvon 3,120]

>They're already bitching about the U.S. response being "inadequate."

And people here are bitching that Pakistan didn't even offer to help after Katrina. They're wrong, of course, but people do like to bitch, no matter what side of the ocean they're on.

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Who among us don't see to the needs of our own children before we begin to meet the needs of others, no matter how poor they are.

But do you resent giving help to poorer people when you do donate? Does providing for your children preclude you from donating relatively small amounts to charity?

You talk about 'your own' in NO and 'other peoples' in Pakistan. Have you ever met John Smith from New Orleans? Do you know him any better than Abdul Al Haq from Pakistan? Like ReBirth said, it's all imaginary lines on a map.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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First, let me clarify: I believe we should try and help anybody in the world when we can.

As far as my illustration and your comment; I don't resent giving to scholarships for my alma mater at all. But I would not pay for someone else's education IF my children had to go without. That being said, the USA is a wealthy country by world standards and I don't mind paying more taxes (the government doesn't grow money, you know. It comes from taxes) to help those in need, both here and abroad.

That imaginary lines bs is just that. We are a sovereign nation. How about Abdul Al Hag from Pakistan giving more txes so the people in NO can rebuild their city. Aint gonna happen is it?

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Here's a list of some countries and what they gave.

I didn't add it all up, but it amounted to somewhere over $700M in total foreign aid.

I think it's great, and I'm sure we'll have no problem spending the money. But it is likely to amount to a little less than 1% of the total disaster costs that the all-knowing press has been harping about.

I think the figure will be less in the end, but let's keep it in perspective (and not an ingrateful one at that).

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
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There is a direct correllation between our handing out money left and right to everyone else and rising prices such as....fuel costs, food prices, etc, all the money handed out could go back into our pockets and keep rising costs down,

And if your correlation theory is correct, then we must not be giving out much of anything. Inflation is and has been at its lowest levels in history for the past several years. What rising prices are you talking about? Besides oil, but that has dick all to do with giving out aid.

Actually, your correlation theory is crap. How does the gov't using tax money on foreign aid cause food prices to increase? Would they be subsidizing grocery stores instead? Ludicrous, ill informed, and just plain wrong.

According to most of the Democratic leadership, the economy is not in good shape. I say if it's in as bad a shape as they say, we can't afford to send anything.

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so average citizens like my parents who are in their 80's and live on a SS check don't have to watch EVERY penny they spend, because they don't know what tomorrow will bring when it comes to the economy.

You kow, thats exactly what the "Bluehairs" cranking on the slot machines down at the casino were saying to me just the other day.

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How about Abdul Al Hag from Pakistan giving more txes so the people in NO can rebuild their city. Aint gonna happen is it?

Did you even look at the list of donor countries?

Granted, what Pakistan gave was probably an insignificant amount of money in terms of their total budget, however exactly the same applies to whatever America ends up giving to the earthquake victims. C'mon, it might cost you personally about $0.50 over the year, so the hgher taxes argumant doesn't really fly.

Also I think that you are certainly intelligent enough to know that saying this foreign aid means the domestic poor will go without is total bs. Firstly, it just doesn't work that way, secondly any concerted attempt to provide complete social security even just to the grannies would have everyone here standing up and yelling communist at the top of their voices.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?