Iraqi constitution.

[SpeedRacer 1]

So the constitution of Iraq is to be voted on by referendum on Saturday. Many Sunnis are unhappy with it. What will happen if the Sunni Arabs overwhelmingly a) Vote "NO" or b) Don't vote at all (boycott the referendum)? Is there a timetable of events for what should be done if either of these things happen? (or are we just clumsily winging it as usual?
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[Mike111 0]

Hard to predtict, but a civil war could be a possibility if the Shia's get to much power.

Which would = More dead civilians

[ReBirth 0]

The Iraqi freedom and democracy building is going according to schedule. The typical timetable is as follows.

1 - Revolution
2 - Wait 100 years, and free your slaves
3 - Wait another 40, allow your women to vote
4 - Wait another 60, allow your former slaves and women to be equal in society
5 - Wait 40 years and spread freedom and democracy elsewhere.

So...just give it a quarter millenium and everything should be fine.

Paraphrased from Kurt Vonnegut apearance on The Daily Show

[Gawain 0]

Well, according to this article, one Sunni Arab party has reached a deal and will urge its followers to approve the charter.

The Sunnis aren't unified enough to really grind the process to an absolute halt. There is a timetable, the next step after this vote is on December 15, where another election will be held, forming the next Parliament.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Feeblemind 1]

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The Iraqi freedom and democracy building is going according to schedule. The typical timetable is as follows.

1 - Revolution
2 - Wait 100 years, and free your slaves
3 - Wait another 40, allow your women to vote
4 - Wait another 60, allow your former slaves and women to be equal in society
5 - Wait 40 years and spread freedom and democracy elsewhere.

So...just give it a quarter millenium and everything should be fine.

Paraphrased from Kurt Vonnegut apearance on The Daily Show

At what pointdoesthe welfare system come into full swing and allow them do sit and watch TV while collect free money?

Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked

[Johnnyskydive 0]

Since this is obviously what happens here at home. People collecting this whopping paycheck whilst sitting at home and doing nothing!

Johnny Skydive!

[SpeedRacer 1]

ahh Fox News. always so cheery.

I only hope we're not going to do the thing where we blunder ahead with no plan, like we did before.

hmmm, isn't the current president supposed to FAVOR "intelligent design"???

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[mr2mk1g 10]

It might just go through this time.

The Iraqi govt. has changed the rules about how it can be vetoed to make it much more difficult to get it rejected.

Hell with thier new rules it would be difficult to get an unpopular bit of legislation overturned in the West, never mind Iraq where people are afraid to stand in queues.

This rule change undermines the whole fucking process.

See here:http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aRqfTVv_nw9U&refer=top_world_news

It amazes me that this change has gone almost un-reported and yet it is such a massive change that everyone involved should be up in arms about it.

[bodypilot90 0]

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I only hope we're not going to do the thing where we blunder ahead with no plan, like we did before

You mean like when clinton "upgraded our intel"

[billvon 3,132]

>>I only hope we're not going to do the thing where we blunder
>>ahead with no plan, like we did before

(pssst! that's your cue! psssst! hey! wake up there!)

>You mean like when clinton . . . .

Ah, that's more like it.

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Ah, that's more like it.

I am glad we agree

[bodypilot90 0]

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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Parliament on Wednesday approved a set of last-minute amendments to Iraq's draft constitution, sealing a compromise aimed at gaining Sunni support in this weekend's crucial referendum, the parliament speaker said. The deal — which greatly increases the chances the constitution will be passed in Saturday's vote — came as insurgents pressed their campaign to wreck the referendum.

looks like your hopes might be dashed.

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ahh Fox News. always so cheery.

I only hope we're not going to do the thing where we blunder ahead with no plan, like we did before.

hmmm, isn't the current president supposed to FAVOR "intelligent design"???

Why don't you read the "by line" of the article, it says: "Associated Press", part of the same liberal drivel most of the world is used to. Jeez...

What do you mean by "like we did before"? Most plans start with broad strokes, and removing a government while trying to instill an ideal about having the locals elect a new one will take a great deal of time.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[bodypilot90 0]

isn't it sad that the "hate the us" crowd loves all the bad news and discounts any good news.

Good thing the Iraqi's are a bit smarter than that.

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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Parliament on Wednesday approved a set of last-minute amendments to Iraq's draft constitution, sealing a compromise aimed at gaining Sunni support in this weekend's crucial referendum, the parliament speaker said. The deal — which greatly increases the chances the constitution will be passed in Saturday's vote — came as insurgents pressed their campaign to wreck the referendum.
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looks like your hopes might be dashed.

"my hopes might be dashed"?! um, what am I missing here? from what you posted it sounds like the constitution might be passed.

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[ReBirth 0]

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Most plans start with broad strokes,

Yes...most plans start with broad strokes. But you still fill in the details before you start taking ACTION with that plan. At least if you want to succeed.

Right Way
Step 1...start plan
Step 2...revise plan
Step 3...finish plan
Step 4...act on plan

Wrong Way
Step 1...start plan
Step 2...ignore all evidence that plan is flawed
Step 3...act on flawed plan
Step 4... ?????

Underpants Gnome Way
Step 1...steal underpants
Step 2... ???
Step 3...profit

The Bush plan for Iraq seems to resemble the 2nd (or possibly 3rd) example above.

[wmw999 2,600]

That is big, and no, I sure hadn't heard about it.

I guess sometimes it's good to be king

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[mr2mk1g 10]

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The Bush plan for Iraq seems to resemble the 2nd (or possibly 3rd) example above

There are leaked UK memos which show that actually far from there being a flawed plan for US involvement in post war Iraq - there wasn't actaully a plan at all.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100723.html

Guess it doesn't even fall into the 2nd catagory.

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That is big, and no, I sure hadn't heard about it.

Finally someone notices it. Yes it is big. No I doubt there's anything anyone can do about it. Yes that's sad.

[bodypilot90 0]

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"my hopes might be dashed"?! um, what am I missing here? from what you posted it sounds like the constitution might be passed.

maybe not you directly but the hate the usa crowd and the Bush haters as well.

[ReBirth 0]

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"my hopes might be dashed"?! um, what am I missing here? from what you posted it sounds like the constitution might be passed.

maybe not you directly but the hate the usa crowd and the Bush haters as well.

That's where right wingers are usually wrong and demonstrate their lack of comprehension and blind hatred.

First, I'm a Bush hater because I love the USA

Second, I hope their constitution succeeds. But seeing that Bush has been wrong about everything else he predicted for Iraq, I don't think it's likely, and that's a shame.

Third, Bush is the worst thing to happen to America in my lifetime. So it seems to me, Bush supporters are those that hate the USA.

Fourth...funny how you capitalize Bush, but not "usa". Where do your loyalties really lie?

[bodypilot90 0]

fill in your information. mr/miss no name

[Zenister 0]

why? its irrelevant in the SC where expressed opinion is all that matters, not skydiving qualifications..

those who scream for ID in here usually just want a better target to attack when they cant address the content..

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[SpeedRacer 1]

If we can get away from all the left/right bashing here for a second:

Something interesting is happening: Many complained that there was such an urgency to stick to a timetable (Oct 15) that they were rushing things. So maybe this new compromise is a good thing: the agreement that the Constitution can be significantly amended before the end of December. It may be something that could keep this Constitution afloat until a reasonable compromise can be hammered out.

The main issue seems to be Federalism. Sunnis are worried that the Shiites & Kurds will split off & Iraq will be divided. One issue is that the Shiites & Kurds want part of the previously-nationalized oil $ to belong to their regions exclusively. Maybe (hopefully) they can get this worked out if they have a couple more months.

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[ReBirth 0]

No thanks...I've seen what radical right wing nutjobs do when they lose arguments. Not saying you're one, but there are some on here. I'd rather not be stalked and harassed at my job.