kelpdiver 2 #76 October 13, 2005 Quote Once again. The only TRUE way to compare crime across countries is by Murder. Violent crime is different everywhere as is police procedure for ghandling them. But murder is handled just about the same eveywhere. Please stop using stats that don't corrolate well. I hate stat abuse. Only comparing murder rates would in fact be stat abuse. It's not the only true way to compare, it's just one of the easiest as the data is much easier to reliably collect. it certainly would ignore the difference in home invasion crimes, for example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #77 October 13, 2005 QuoteOnce again. The only TRUE way to compare crime across countries is by Murder. Says you. That's a personal opinion only. Maybe you just like the way the comparison goes, so that's the one you choose to select. After all, anything that makes America look like the evil Satan, has got to be good! QuoteViolent crime is different everywhere If you go back and look at the definitions of violent crime in the sources I provided, you will see that, except for Canada's "level-3 assault", the definitions are identical between Canada and the U.S. FBI. That's why I went to the trouble of factoring out the unequal part. QuotePlease stop using stats that don't corrolate well. I hate stat abuse. Just because you don't like the outcome, and don't bother to keep up with the details, doesn't mean that they don't corelate well. If you want to make such an allegation, support it with some information, or expect it to be dismissed as yet another personal opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #78 October 13, 2005 QuoteGive it up. John does not care about facts. He continually posts incorrect information about other countries and no matter how often people prove he is wrong he will do it again. I just refer to the stuff he previously has posted about English Australian and Scottish crime rates... blah blah blah Yet another mischaracterization. Instead of telling the truth about our disagreement in that issue, you choose to call me a liar. How credible is that? One type of crime report shows crime up in England. Another type of crime report shows crime down in England. We each quoted a different one. We're both correct, in different ways. That doesn't make me a liar. On the other hand, I acknowledged the differences, and never called you a liar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #79 October 13, 2005 You make continuos claims about other countries crime rates in spite of a) been proven to often have used dodgy sources b) that it is agreed by those who are the experts in the areas (including the US department of justice) that crime stats in different countries are not comparable – with the possible exception of homicides. This has been discussed in many threads – of which you have started most – and in spite of the facts being provided to you – you just continue with the same old claims. You should apply for the job as Iraqi Information Minister. I did not call you a liar. I accuse you of ignoring facts in order to nurture your obsession in regard to gun control in other countries or your dislike of same. Interesting how the overwhelming majority in the countries you continually spread misinformation about their crime issues are very happy with their gun laws. “Information” and stats can be distorted for political purposes – and this is what you do. Reminds me of a certain President…--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #80 October 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteGive it up. John does not care about facts. He continually posts incorrect information about other countries and no matter how often people prove he is wrong he will do it again. I just refer to the stuff he previously has posted about English Australian and Scottish crime rates... blah blah blah Yet another mischaracterization. Instead of telling the truth about our disagreement in that issue, you choose to call me a liar. How credible is that? One type of crime report shows crime up in England. Another type of crime report shows crime down in England. We each quoted a different one. We're both correct, in different ways. That doesn't make me a liar. On the other hand, I acknowledged the differences, and never called you a liar. All that proves is that the statistics on crimes other than homicide are unreliable indicators - the point you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge because it conflicts with your worldview. Jeez - even the USDOJ makes that point.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #81 October 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteOnce again. The only TRUE way to compare crime across countries is by Murder. Says you. That's a personal opinion only. Maybe you just like the way the comparison goes, so that's the one you choose to select. After all, anything that makes America look like the evil Satan, has got to be good! I am going to need you to stop putting words into my mouth. Now. Never did I say I hate America. In fact, I love living in this country. And that is with experience of living in Europe. I fail to see how ensuring accurate usage of statistics makes me hate America. So I will thank you to not infer that I hate this country. It is an easy way out and one too often taken. In any case, I couldn't care less if these stats point to any country having the lowest crime rate. I just was pointing out that your method is WRONG. I don't think you are a liar. I just think you are incorrect. The proof has been said again AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. I was just repeating what has already been shown yet you ignore it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. The USDOJ even says murder is the only solid way to compare, but I am sure you will ignore that too. The British government says the same thing. We have given proof that the murder rate is the most constant way for comparison but you choose to ignore it and keep spewing other stats. Just because you choose a source that gives stats for different countries does not mean a direct comparison is wise. Do you have any idea what goes into just OUR crime surveys? Believe me, there is ALOT of room for difference of opinion in non homicide violent crimes just in the nature of the questions that are asked. But the one thing that does not have that much room for difference is murder. And that is NOT my opinion.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #82 October 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteOnce again. The only TRUE way to compare crime across countries is by Murder. Says you. That's a personal opinion only. Maybe you just like the way the comparison goes, so that's the one you choose to select. After all, anything that makes America look like the evil Satan, has got to be good! QuoteViolent crime is different everywhere If you go back and look at the definitions of violent crime in the sources I provided, you will see that, except for Canada's "level-3 assault", the definitions are identical between Canada and the U.S. FBI. That's why I went to the trouble of factoring out the unequal part. QuotePlease stop using stats that don't corrolate well. I hate stat abuse. Just because you don't like the outcome, and don't bother to keep up with the details, doesn't mean that they don't corelate well. If you want to make such an allegation, support it with some information, or expect it to be dismissed as yet another personal opinion. You didn't have to factor out things, I refer you back to this post: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1874104#1874104 It uses a source you supplied and in one table compares Canadian and US rates of violent crime broken into four areas. In all but Sexual Assault the US rates are higher than Canada's. With regard to murder the the US rate is more than 4 times higher."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #83 October 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteOnce again. The only TRUE way to compare crime across countries is by Murder. Says you. That's a personal opinion only. Maybe you just like the way the comparison goes, so that's the one you choose to select. After all, anything that makes America look like the evil Satan, has got to be good! I am going to need you to stop putting words into my mouth. Now. Never did I say I hate America. . It's just a logical extension of "If you're not with us you're against us" from the White House back in 2001/2002. If you don't agree with the neo-con agenda, by definition you hate the USA because only neo-cons are true patriots.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #84 October 14, 2005 QuoteIf you don't agree with the neo-con agenda, by definition you hate the USA because only neo-cons are true patriots. And I stand by my statement that since Bush is the worst thing to happen to America in recent history, his supporters must hate America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
