EricTheRed 0 #1 October 6, 2005 Did anyone listen to it? I heard most of it and overall I'd give it a B. He tried to stretch the war on terror a bit far, and did not do a good job of explaining why the F we are in Iraq to begin with but made a strong case for not pulling out. Your thoughts?illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #2 October 6, 2005 It would have been a lot better if it was a speech instad of a speach! Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #3 October 6, 2005 Noted and changed I'm a chemist, not a linguist, no matter how cunning I may be...illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #4 October 6, 2005 I thought he did a great job explaining why we are there. It's one of many fronts we are in fighting terrorist. Better there blowing stuff up than here blowing stuff up. However I'm for this fight as you are not. I'm for running to the battle and taking it to them as you are for running away. I'm looking for an un-conditional surrender, while your looking for firm footing. We don't agree on the correct course of attaction, I however have made my bed and will sleep on it soundly knowing that the fight we are in is just. As GQJUMPER puts it, there are brave Men and Women willing to do violence so others can sleep soundly at night. Cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 October 6, 2005 QuoteAs GQJUMPER puts it, there are brave Men and Women willing to do violence so others can sleep soundly at night. Its a damn good thing there are people like that... because they sure as hell are not the people in this administration. bunch of fucking chickenhawks.. talk is big but they have NEVER put their asses on the line. Notice also thier kids are not there either. PERIOD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #6 October 6, 2005 Quote Notice also thier kids are not there either. PERIOD Mine is, though.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #7 October 6, 2005 QuoteIt's one of many fronts we are in fighting terrorist. Better there blowing stuff up than here blowing stuff up. I wish I could take him as seriously as you do, and actually believe him as you do. You really think these terrorists would be blowing stuff up here if they didn't have Iraq to blow stuff up in, that's remarkable. I instead am disgusted because I don't believe that Iraq ever was an important front on the war on terror. Rather, the war on terror is a front for this war, and Iraq became a terrorist's playground after we came in. This war wasn't started on the notion that Al-Qaida is in Iraq, remember? That revision came about after they came up with their dicks in their hands looking for WMD's. He's just fueling fear and feeding on it again. This is what he does. It's how he got re-elected. Be afraid of terrorists -- beating the dead 9/11 horse to no end. That he can get up and try justifying a war for the profit of his friends to a completely corrupt cause, insult the intelligence of the world -- and that there are crowds that actually believe him -- turns my stomach. In the meantime, we have to finish cleaning up the mess we started. So I, like you, support our troops. If he would start letting generals run the war rather than a herd of war-dodging cowards like himself, we'd make huge strides. With all this time passing and American deaths approaching 2000 now, somehow I think he likes it this way. It must be making him and his pals heaps of cash. Absolutely disgusting. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 October 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteAs GQJUMPER puts it, there are brave Men and Women willing to do violence so others can sleep soundly at night. Its a damn good thing there are people like that... because they sure as hell are not the people in this administration. bunch of fucking chickenhawks.. talk is big but they have NEVER put their asses on the line. Notice also thier kids are not there either. PERIOD Can you name a time when members of Congress have en masse suited up and gone to war? Yeah, I couldn't either.... WWI or WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia, or Kosovo....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BetsyJ47 0 #9 October 7, 2005 Can you name a time when members of Congress have en masse suited up and gone to war? Yeah, I couldn't either.... __________________________________________________ Kind of telling.., isn't it? If you support the war and vote to declare war, at least join the soldiers on the frontlines or send your own kids in your place. Just so we know that you are sincere in your belief as to the need for War. Betsy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 October 7, 2005 QuoteCan you name a time when members of Congress have en masse suited up and gone to war? Yeah, I couldn't either.... WWI or WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia, or Kosovo.... Yes as a matter of fact.. all those evil Roosevelts and Kennedys going off to war. Go read about it.. WWII quite a few served. Several Roosevelts served. The oldest Kennedy died trying to outdo his little brother. TEddy Roosevelt..rough riders.. in an earlier era. Oh might I add they actually served in COMBAT.. not the nice safe National Guard of latter years of the Quayles and Bushes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 October 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteCan you name a time when members of Congress have en masse suited up and gone to war? Yeah, I couldn't either.... WWI or WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia, or Kosovo.... Yes as a matter of fact.. all those evil Roosevelts and Kennedys going off to war. Go read about it.. WWII quite a few served. Several Roosevelts served. The oldest Kennedy died trying to outdo his little brother. TEddy Roosevelt..rough riders.. in an earlier era. Oh might I add they actually served in COMBAT.. not the nice safe National Guard of latter years of the Quayles and Bushes And how many of them LEFT CONGRESS to do that? None that I recall - which seems to be your point talking about 'chickenhawks'. So, I submit the the fair majority of government officials across the last century haven't "walked the walk" like you seem to be demanding.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #12 October 7, 2005 My point was simple.. even when they were in thieir younger years.. they all managed to avoid actually doing anything when they could have served thier country. But they sure are patriotic and brave with the blood of others. http://www.chickenhawkcards.com/ Gotta love this one. http://www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 October 7, 2005 QuoteMy point was simple.. even when they were in thieir younger years.. they all managed to avoid actually doing anything when they could have served thier country. But they sure are patriotic and brave with the blood of others. http://www.chickenhawkcards.com/ Gotta love this one. http://www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html And my point is that it has been that way for the last 200 years... but of course it's only the CURRENT administration that is that way, right? Where is your outrage over Clinton's outright dodge of military service? Where is the anger over the troops killed in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 1010 #14 October 7, 2005 Well, my guy ran for Congress ... but had to go off to war ... got elected to the State House upon his return ... any serving Democrats out there? ... after all a bunch of them voted for war too ... Oregon State Representative Brian Boquist (R-23) ... At 17 he enlisted in the US Army, and now at 46 is a Reserve Special Forces Lieutenant Colonel. Only a year ago, Representative Boquist served as the Deputy Commander and Chief of Staff of the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force in Iraq for seven months. At the close of his tour, Brian Boquist received the Bronze Star Medal and was recommended for immediate promotion to full Colonel by his commanders. You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 October 7, 2005 Ah I knew Clinton would come in there somewhere...( why is it you Ultra Righties always dredge up Mr Blow Job ...Yall really do hate it when someone is getting some action) I would rather have voted for John McCain... Or how about Al Gore. Gore was born on March 31, 1948, and is the son of former U.S. Senator Albert Gore, Sr. and Pauline Gore. Raised in Carthage, Tennessee, and Washington, D.C., he received a degree in government with honors from Harvard University in 1969. After graduation, he volunteered for enlistment in the U.S. Army and served in Vietnam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 October 7, 2005 QuoteAh I knew Clinton would come in there somewhere...( why is it you Ultra Righties always dredge up Mr Blow Job ...Yall really do hate it when someone is getting some avtion) I would rather have voted for John McCain... Or how about Al Gore. Gore was born on March 31, 1948, and is the son of former U.S. Senator Albert Gore, Sr. and Pauline Gore. Raised in Carthage, Tennessee, and Washington, D.C., he received a degree in government with honors from Harvard University in 1969. After graduation, he volunteered for enlistment in the U.S. Army and served in Vietnam. My point is that you love to bash the sitting President, who did serve, but give a pass to the last one, who dodged.... rather hypocritical, don't you think? If you're going to bash, then bash them all equally...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #17 October 7, 2005 QuoteIf you're going to bash, then bash them all equally... Pardon me, but is there a difference between bash and criticize? Or is one a subset of the other, perhaps? Does that mean there's anything wrong with it, cos it certainly appears that a lot of people feel that there is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 October 7, 2005 We are talking about the CURRENT crop of draft dodgers... no matter how you try to spion it back into the history books. When you have people who did everything they possibly could to avoid serving thier country its easy for the to send our kids off to die for thier own personal gain. Now that is hypocrisy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 October 7, 2005 QuotePardon me, but is there a difference between bash and criticize? Or is one a subset of the other, perhaps? Does that mean there's anything wrong with it, cos it certainly appears that a lot of people feel that there is? DUDE.. dont you know that ANY form of criticism is deemed unpatriotic... and are obviously a lefty....just like in the old days anyone who was not a hawk was immediately a commie pinko...different war.. same old shit. ONly probelm is.. this time around with the " Patriot Act" they can cook up all kinds of shit to harrass people. They are almost as Paranoid as Nixons" Enemies List" Oh thats right a bunch of these clowns trained under his administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #20 October 7, 2005 Quoteand are obviously a lefty Have you been sneaking in on my showers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #21 October 7, 2005 Actually this whole conversation should be over... from the transcript....at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051006-3.html Some might be tempted to dismiss these goals as fanatical or extreme. Well, they are fanatical and extreme -- and they should not be dismissed. Our enemy is utterly committed. As Zarqawi has vowed, "We will either achieve victory over the human race or we will pass to the eternal life." And the civilized world knows very well that other fanatics in history, from Hitler to Stalin to Pol Pot, consumed whole nations in war and genocide before leaving the stage of history. Evil men, obsessed with ambition and unburdened by conscience, must be taken very seriously -- and we must stop them before their crimes can multiply. Based on the conventions of bringing up HITLER... the whole conversation is over. ( since all the Ultra Righties LOVE to bring up whenever anyone mentions how much these people are acting like Germany in the 1930's.. they start screaming about some freakin internet maxim about bringing up Nazism) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 October 7, 2005 QuoteWe are talking about the CURRENT crop of draft dodgers... no matter how you try to spion it back into the history books. When you have people who did everything they possibly could to avoid serving thier country its easy for the to send our kids off to die for thier own personal gain. Now that is hypocrisy. My POINT is that the current crop, as you put it, were also many of the same people involved in sending troops to die in Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. I don't see you having much outrage against those actions...why is that? Again...it's been that way from the beginning... so if you're going to criticize/bash/tear your hair out/throw your medals over the White House fence, then say it against ALL of them...not just "the current crop" because they're no different than any other administration in that regard.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #23 October 7, 2005 QuoteUS President George W Bush says the insurgency in Iraq is part of a wider strategy by al-Qaeda and other Islamic militants to wage war against humanity. I didn't listen to it, but if this bbc extract is anything to go by then he has elevated himself to new levels of cheeziness. The main reaction people around me have to Bush is embarrassment: that he comes out with such drivel, and that so many people lap it up when they should be throwing up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #24 October 7, 2005 QuoteMy point is that you love to bash the sitting President, who did serve, but give a pass to the last one, who dodged.... rather hypocritical, don't you think? If you're going to bash, then bash them all equally... Somalia was a clusterf,ck, and the bombing in Kosovo was pretty reckless. I don't think it makes anyone happy that Clinton dodged Vietnam. His fuckups led to the death of 15 in Somalia, and less than that in Kosovo. No one defends that or praises him for it. Being that Iraq is more current, it's the topic of discussion, and the source of a lot of anger. You know that criticizing Clinton for f.cking up Somalia doesn't have much context in this discussion. Not to mention that the scale of the f.ckup isn't nearly as grand as the scale of this war. Six more troops just got killed. That brings the death toll to about 1,950. How do you feel about that? I'm 100x as enraged about this as I am about Somalia. Do you think this war is going well? Are you proud of your president's service to his country in 1972 and now? You blow the whistle often when someone criticizes your ex-governor. Yet you've shared no solid reasons for your liking him and backing him as zealously as you do. I'd like to hear you tell us why you think he is a good president. I, for one, WANT to be convinced because I'd much rather like someone I see on the news daily than cringe at the very sight of him. I really do want to believe that there are good, solid reasons to admire and respect this man. -edited for a spelling mistake Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #25 October 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteWe are talking about the CURRENT crop of draft dodgers... no matter how you try to spion it back into the history books. When you have people who did everything they possibly could to avoid serving thier country its easy for the to send our kids off to die for thier own personal gain. Now that is hypocrisy. My POINT is that the current crop, as you put it, were also many of the same people involved in sending troops to die in Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. I don't see you having much outrage against those actions...why is that? Again...it's been that way from the beginning... so if you're going to criticize/bash/tear your hair out/throw your medals over the White House fence, then say it against ALL of them...not just "the current crop" because they're no different than any other administration in that regard. No-one had to fabricate reasons to send our boys to Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. "Bad intel" and outright lies didn't have to be used to justify it to Congress and the people. And the numbers in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo were miniscule by comparison with Bush's clusterf..k... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
