Ron 10 #76 October 10, 2005 QuoteYou are remarkably willing to believe Bush's "bad intel" story, Ron. Is he a relative of yours? Nope, not related. But I know a little something about intel and how it is often bogus or just really bad. QuoteDid you ever read what Powell said about the speech he had to give to the UN about WMDs? Yep, and the pics sure made it look like there was a problem.... Besides remember that Saddam never complied like he was supposed to. He had 12 years to show and co-operate and he didn't. Admit he never complied. You know he played games for 12 years. If he had complied we would have been standing on the border looking stupid."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #77 October 10, 2005 QuoteACTUALY I would have supported Sen. John McCain... you know the guy who all these ACTUAL DRAFT DODGERS slandered and attacked( gee I wonder why they would attack a decorated veteran.. former POW who served with honor when they did not) What does that mean? Nothing. your pure hatred of Bush is showing and you throw McCain up? Look you supported Clinton a Draft Dodger and a guy that lied under oath and attack a guy that served in the Military...Nice standards you have there. QuoteA "chickenhawk" is a very particular creature. The name comes from combining the word "chicken" (coward) with "hawk" (war hawk). To be a chickenhawk, you need to meet three criteria: A chickenhawk is A) a famous person who B) supports the CURRENT wars but C) never served in the military. In other words, a hypocrite who advocates sending children to die in a war, but who refused to go themself when given the chance. Hate to break it to you, but Bush did in fact serve....Unless you want to claim that the Reserves and NG don't count as serving...If thats true, I have a ton of people that would like to meet you. QuoteBill Clinton is not a chickenhawk. He is A) famous but B) does NOT support the current wars and C) never served in the military. Yes, Bill Clinton sent troops into dangerous missions. PEACE-keeping missions: hideous muddles started by other people. U.S. intervention in Somalia was a failure. Intervention in Haiti and Bosnia were successes. Not intervening in Rwanda is also a failure. Uh, Iraq was not started by Bush, Clinton ignored it. You want to claim that Clinton only did PEACE keeping missions? Well you could say that but I guess that removing Saddam a guy that gassed his own people was not a good mission...OK, but I know even more people that want to meet you. QuoteIf we did include past presidents, the first chickenhawk on the list would probably be FDR, who presided over WWII without any personal military background I see, so a guy with Polio and could not serve is to be insulted...I know your standards now. QuoteGeorge W. Bush is a chickenhawk. He is A) famous and B) supports the war efforts but C) did not really serve in the military OK so Reservists are not really serving, and are not worthy in your eyes....RIGHT. QuoteHe was shoehorned into the Texas Air National Guard to dodge the draft Lady, you can't serve and avoid the draft. For your clarification. Clinton avoided the draft and is your hero. Bush served, but not in a way YOU approve of and is evil. Got it now. QuoteIf you never served in the military, but you go around mouthing off, supporting the war, beating the drum, and advocating that we send Democratic kids off to kill Iraqi kids so that Republican kids can become billionaires, you're a junior chickenhawk! OMG I can't believe you belive this kind of crap...In your eyes Democrats are good Republicans evil. I hate to break it to you, but CONGRESS voted to use force...Thats both Democrats and Republicans. Quote'Gee I was pointing out that MOST of the current administration IS DOCUMENTED as a bunch of draft dodgers...I guess critical thinking is not someones strong point.. I read well and interpret pretty well...I can see your party line bias from a mile away. Thats pretty sad. QuoteTalk about some ones hatred... someones REAL hatred is seething.. I am thinking someone hasnt gotten laid recently. I have no problems thanks....But why you looking for a piece? No thanks, I like my women to be smart enough to not just spout crap they got from the hate sites."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #78 October 10, 2005 QuoteIf the children are bought up with an attitude that serving thier country is an honorable valuble thing rather than most of the people in this administration who teach them that only suckers do that.. Oh god here we go again, Democrat good, Republican bad. Ya know if the Good Democrats were taught not to leave people who need their help while they drown in a river in your car....Well you can see that your myopic view of Democrats good is BS. QuoteVERY few people serving in our military are from our upper classes. In former generations that was not the case BS ever since war was started most of the foot soldiers were poor. It gave them work. Try reading history and not Republican hate sites all day. QuoteI would say most of this administrations children will NEVER serve anything other than themselves.. just like thier parents. I would say most childern only serve themselves...But you have to put a political spin on things... Try not reading Republican hate sites for a while they have twisted your brain. QuoteIts all about good parenting skills... and most of those folks just aint been raised right so they have no clue how to raise thier own children. You only have to see how the presidents children behave. Oh geeze, now you are claiming that only democrats can raise kids right.....Do try and get out more, thats just silly."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #79 October 10, 2005 I love all the Personal attacks you get to use. You claim I can't read and need to get laid. Then you say :"Perhaps you should go read about it and learn something about it before you ASSume you know something about the military in those days." And then: " So you can go get yourself a nice big ladder and climb down off your high indignant horse." And :"You do know how to read .. right??" So just to recap... 1. Republicans are evil and can't raise kids, Democrats are wonderful parents. 2. The National Guard/Reserve is not REAL service. 3. Cripples deserve to be insulted. 4. If people don't agree with you, they clearly can't read. OK, got it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #80 October 10, 2005 QuoteDid anyone listen to it? I heard most of it and overall I'd give it a B. He tried to stretch the war on terror a bit far, and did not do a good job of explaining why the F we are in Iraq to begin with but made a strong case for not pulling out. Your thoughts? Here is a Republican Congressman's reasoning why Congress should not authorize Bush to invade Iraq. His thoughts seem more lucid and intelligent than any I've heard from this President. QuoteMr. Speaker, for the more than one dozen years I have spent as a federal legislator I have taken a particular interest in foreign affairs and especially the politics of the Middle East. From my seat on the international relations committee I have had the opportunity to review dozens of documents and to sit through numerous hearings and mark-up sessions regarding the issues of both Iraq and international terrorism. . . . [a bunch of interesting information W. forgot to tell the public before invading Iraq] . . . "Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas." A very interesting and informational read. In hindsight, we know Congress should have listened to him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #81 October 10, 2005 Both of you cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #82 October 10, 2005 QuoteWhat does that mean? Nothing. your pure hatred of Bush is showing and you throw McCain up? Look you supported Clinton a Draft Dodger and a guy that lied under oath and attack a guy that served in the Military...Nice standards you have there. Here ya go My Republican Apologist Extraordinaire. http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=522 QuoteHate to break it to you, but Bush did in fact serve YUP YUP SURE.. Americasn really got thier moneys worth with this guy while he" served himself" http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/3671 After Bush got his wings in June 1970 until May 1971, he is credited with a total of 46 days of active duty. From May 1971 to May 1972, he logged 22 days of active duty. QuoteI read well and interpret pretty well...I can see your party line bias from a mile away. Thats pretty sad. http://www.nhgazette.com/news/chickenhawks/chickenhawk_headquarters/ Obviously you did not read very well .. ALMOST EVERY one of your heros in this administration.. didnt serve at all yet they find it easy to send other people who are serving honorably off on a bogus war . The most laughable part is you accuse me of party bias??? I have read so many posts by you that are seeting in hatred for anything that approaches moderation. And here you are doing it again. QuoteHate to break it to you, but Bush did in fact serve....Unless you want to claim that the Reserves and NG don't count as serving...If thats true, I have a ton of people that would like to meet you. The military today is made up of huge components of NG and REserves. When Bushie was"in" it was a FAR different time... and he barely ever even showed up. As far as some of your buds who would like to meet.... love that threat of violence by the way..I wonder if the little man behind the computer is so macho in his real life instead of his fantasy one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #83 October 10, 2005 Damn. I almost get banned for simply asking someone how clueless they have to be to not understand something. You must be blessed. 5..4..3..2.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #84 October 10, 2005 QuoteHere ya go My Republican Apologist Extraordinaire Where have you seen me say such things as "Democrats can't raise kids"? You call me a party liner. Thats rich. QuoteObviously you did not read very well .. ALMOST EVERY one of your heros in this administration.. didnt serve at all yet they find it easy to send other people who are serving honorably off on a bogus war Lincon didn't serve either. Guess what? Sometimes people in power have to do things. In your little world only those that served in a maner YOU see fit should ever lead. By your narrow little definition Lincon would never have served as CiC. QuoteThe most laughable part is you accuse me of party bias??? Again I have not claimed things like Democrats can't raise kids well...You have said stuff like that several times. QuoteAs far as some of your buds who would like to meet.... love that threat of violence by the way Thats not a threat. I have several friends that would love to hear why YOU don't think they served. QuoteI wonder if the little man behind the computer is so macho in his real life instead of his fantasy one. Nice attacks AGAIN. I love how I attack your views...Such as how you say only Democrats can be good parents. But you attack me...Such as how you think I need to get laid or if I am as brave in person. I think your rambles have shown that all you can do is insult and spout crap you find on websites. If thats all you can do, I can find better use for my time than to just sit around and have you insult me time after time. I find it funny that you are allowed to get away with it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #85 October 10, 2005 Well I'll argue with him, and let him know his thinking is in the minority. I have several friends serving their second tour over there now who don't think it was'nt worth while. But I appreciate his service to our country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fab777 0 #86 October 11, 2005 QuoteIt's one of many fronts we are in fighting terrorist. Still believe in that, 2 years later? Funny... Fabien BASE#944 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #87 October 11, 2005 QuoteWell I'll argue with him, and let him know his thinking is in the minority. Good thinking typically is. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #88 October 12, 2005 Funny, Bush gives a speech touting the Iraq war and Iraq's link to terror. The next day, New York City is put on alert from a specific terror threat that came from Iraq? What a fucking joke. You people should be able to see right through Bush and his stupid, predictable fucking antics by now. The Bush administration is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. Bush is a fucking joke. By the way.. I've been in New York now for 2 weeks. New Yorkers don't buy it either. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #89 October 12, 2005 QuoteKerry could have avoided the whole sordid mess if he had just taken the GWB approach and never shown up. Ouch... lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #90 October 12, 2005 Wipe that silly grin off your face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #91 October 13, 2005 QuoteWipe that silly grin off your face. Hey, there will be no humor allowed in speaker's corner! Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
