Can you access this website?

[tso-d_chris 0]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/051005timewarnercensors.htm

MY ISP has censored it, according to the article that I can't access.

[kelpdiver 2]

I got through fine from the office.

On what basis do you believe your ISP censored it. The article itself offered no evidence, and given its nature, can't really be trusted on the subject.

[tso-d_chris 0]

I have Roadrunner and cannot access it, at least not without taking measures to hide my location. There is something inherently wrong with that.

[somethinelse 0]

Hmmm...
Y cant u get on it?

[kelpdiver 2]

elaborate. You're still expecting me to accept this on faith.

I've seen many instances where people presumed problems were deliberate when they were in fact merely coincidental error situations.

Typically the only blacklisting is of spammers and their ISPs. It's a lot of work to maintain for mere political reasons, rather than financial ones.

[Anvilbrother 0]

I can get to it and jones site.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

[PhreeZone 20]

I can't access it either and I'm on a RoadRunner segment across the country.

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[kelpdiver 2]

it times out?

can you resolve the ip with DNS?
can you ping that IP?
can you traceroute to it?

The continuity within RR suggests something is wrong, but it still can be unintentional.

[tso-d_chris 0]

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The continuity within RR suggests something is wrong, but it still can be unintentional.

True, but the text of the article makes me wonder.

(snipped for brevity)

***AOL Time-Warner Censors Alex Jones Websites
Nationwide blackout a clear attempt to shut down free speech

Prison Planet | October 5 2005

Time Warner's ISP, Road Runner, has blocked access to all of Alex Jones' flagship websites across the entire United States.

We were first alerted to this problem early this morning when several locals in Austin reported that they were unable to access Infowars.com, PrisonPlanet.com or Prison Planet.tv.

Austin Time Warner had previously shut down access to our websites on a whim, claiming they were 'hate material' but in all cases had quickly restored them after receiving complaints.

However, this latest attack on free speech is occurring nationwide, with Time Warner subscribers from New York to California reporting that their access to the websites is being blocked.

The last attempt to shut us down came shortly after the London Bombings, which saw our traffic go through the roof after we released a plethora of articles exposing government involvement.

The consequence of this is that Prison Planet.com alone on some days gets more hits than the Britney Spears website or Rush Limbaugh.

Previously we reported that UK ISPs like Tiscali were blocking their subscribers from accessing the website after the 7/7 bombings.

It is obvious that those in high places are showing their disapproval. This only vindicates all the information we have been putting out.

How can a website that merely reports and comments on mainstream media articles be described as 'hate' unless there's a different agenda afoot? How can Bill O'Reilly get on Fox News and call for assassinating Prime Ministers and Pat Robertson on the 700 Club do the same and yet we get censored for being hateful? We have never called for violence against anyone and actively encourage peaceful exchange of information.

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[SudsyFist 0]

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it times out?

can you resolve the ip with DNS?
can you ping that IP?
can you traceroute to it?

The continuity within RR suggests something is wrong, but it still can be unintentional.

PING/Tracert issues these days can be misleading, as a lot of networks block ICMP traffic, so it would be best to compare PING results with someone who *can* access the site to see if that's the case. And even if you can PING it, you can still be filtered at port 80 (HTTP).

That being said, I'm on Cox, and I resolve www.prisonplanet.com to 67.19.213.18, and I do get PING replies. The website comes up normally for me.

Hope this helps.

[AlexCrowley 0]

yes.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[Gravitymaster 0]

yes. Comcast.

[tso-d_chris 0]

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can you ping that IP?

Ping has started ...

PING 67.19.213.18 (67.19.213.18): 56 data bytes

--- 67.19.213.18 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

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can you traceroute to it?

Traceroute has started ...

traceroute to 67.19.213.18 (67.19.213.18), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 20.78.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com (65.33.78.20) 16.304 ms 34.090 ms 3.205 ms
2 10.121.32.1 (10.121.32.1) 73.108 ms 10.779 ms 14.163 ms
3 pos0-1.orldflndld-rtr1.cfl.rr.com (24.95.224.177) 80.344 ms 40.912 ms 64.642 ms
4 srp2-0.orldflorbh-rtr1.cfl.rr.com (24.95.224.99) 57.562 ms 15.177 ms 13.885 ms
5 gig2-3.orldfldvsn-rtr4.cfl.rr.com (24.95.228.53) 15.409 ms 50.727 ms 71.146 ms
6 pop1-tby-p0-2.atdn.net (66.185.136.173) 32.293 ms 32.516 ms 31.709 ms
7 bb1-tby-p0-2.atdn.net (66.185.136.164) 41.910 ms 34.396 ms 41.336 ms
8 bb2-atm-p7-0.atdn.net (66.185.152.245) 169.279 ms 82.878 ms 160.998 ms
9 bb2-cha-p6-0.atdn.net (66.185.152.31) 171.373 ms 95.033 ms 193.069 ms
10 bb2-ash-p13-0.atdn.net (66.185.152.50) 104.285 ms 53.295 ms 70.902 ms
11 pop3-ash-p1-0.atdn.net (66.185.148.211) 81.249 ms 49.419 ms 54.550 ms
12 verio.atdn.net (66.185.140.242) 49.460 ms 52.715 ms 54.326 ms
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Is that a successful traceroute? (I don't know)

[AlexCrowley 0]

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yes. Comcast.

Comcast here too. I've noticed that Comcast play their own games:

1. they have the shittiest DNS, sometimes google and yahoo are unavailable.

2. they "zap" wireless routers. It'll run fine for a few days and then go dead or degrade to the point where everything needs restarting. Cloning your MAC clears it up UNLESS you run BitTorrent, at which point it would appear they automagically start throttling your connection again. Once you turn off P2P the service restores to full speed after about an hour....Those bastards.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[SudsyFist 0]

I ran tracert's from two distinct networks, and neither one hit anything at atdn.net. Turns out that's an AOL/Time Warner thing.

12 hops and you're not even getting past your own ISP, there, man. I'm getting all the way to the destination host in 11!

[PhreeZone 20]

Pinging prisonplanet.com [67.19.213.18] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 67.19.213.18:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss)


1-5 are local ISP
6 21 ms 25 ms 22 ms pop1-cin-P3-0.atdn.net [66.185.133.9]
7 21 ms 20 ms 25 ms bb1-cin-P0-0.atdn.net [66.185.133.0]
8 26 ms 47 ms 29 ms bb1-chi-P3-0.atdn.net [66.185.153.50]
9 38 ms 26 ms 28 ms pop1-chi-P0-0.atdn.net [66.185.141.85]
10 42 ms 27 ms 50 ms p16-5-0-0.r00.chcgil06.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.
9.149]
11 * *


Kinda looks wierd that its dropping on RR networks in Chicago and in the south at the same time.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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It would be a big coincidence, albeit not impossible.

Actually, given the nature of its postings, I would expect them to presume any accidental issue is a giant conspiracy. That's why I was seeking outside confirmation.

If true, another good reason not to use a crappy provider. The legal questions are interesting.

[tso-d_chris 0]

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Actually, given the nature of its postings, I would expect them to presume any accidental issue is a giant conspiracy. That's why I was seeking outside confirmation.

I understand your skepticism. It's not exactly a sight that I visit often, if I've ever even been there before at all.

I don't like the idea of my ISP being able to tell me which sites I can't view, though. That should be my decision.

[SudsyFist 0]

It would be interesting if there were any other web sites in their subnet or class C which are also unavailable; that would indicate a potential technical issue (a stupid one, at that). If not -- if it's specifically this one site -- then the fireworks are gonna be cool.

[tso-d_chris 0]

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It would be interesting if there were any other web sites in their subnet or class C which are also unavailable

Could someone translate that into technical idiot for me? Subnet? Class C?

[nathaniel 0]

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Could someone translate that into technical idiot for me? Subnet? Class C?

Subnet on the internet is roughly akin to neighborhood in real life. It's a sometimes precise word that means "nearby", except on the internet it means in terms of technical networking details instead of strict physical proximity. Things on the same subnet are typically physically near to each other, although not always.

It can be involved in figuring out if the reason you can't get from your house to his house is because of a traffic jam on the expressway or a stakeout of his house (or yours).

"Class C" is just a term for the size of the subnet, 255 addresses. It's a bit of an antiquated term with a sordid history not unlike telephone area codes & exchanges. But still useful.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

[kelpdiver 2]

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It would be interesting if there were any other web sites in their subnet or class C which are also unavailable; that would indicate a potential technical issue (a stupid one, at that). If not -- if it's specifically this one site -- then the fireworks are gonna be cool.

trying randomly aside from .18, nothing seems to be listening on port 80. A bit odd for an ISP.

[SudsyFist 0]

Simple story: IP Addresses "near" the one that's being blocked.

A subnet is a network in which all the machines can talk to each other without going through a router; they're all local to each other. A Class C network is a block of 256 IP addresses (i.e., 67.19.213.0 - 67.19.213.255), which is usually broken down into subnets.

In network filters, sometimes engineers make mistakes in blocking entire networks or subnets, when the intention was to filter a specific address (spam relay, etc.). So, if it looks like a whole subnet or Class C was blocked, then it could very well have been such a mistake. If that one address is the only one which is blocked, however, then its being a mistake will be a much tougher case to prove, unless a rogue machine that was targeted for filtering had an IP address that was only off from this one by a single digit.



EDIT: .0 is the network address, and therefore unusable by a host. Thought I'd add that before I get my peepee spanked.

[tso-d_chris 0]

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trying randomly aside from .18, nothing seems to be listening on port 80. A bit odd for an ISP.

Again, forgive my ignorance.

Why is this odd? What is port 80, and why is it special?

[PhreeZone 20]

Other websites in the subnet pull up just fine for me. For example : GLOBAL-EDVENTURE.NET is at 67.19.213.10.

An ISP can do anything they want, happens all the time on the spam filtering side of the house.

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