rushmc 23 #1 October 3, 2005 Well, at least one liberal elitist says what he believes............. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/10/3/65734.shtml The man once known as the most trusted journalist in America no longer trusts Americans to vote for their own leaders, saying average citizens are just too ignorant to cast their ballots wisely. "We [as a nation] are not educated well enough to perform the necessary act of intelligently selecting our leaders," CBS News legend Walter Cronkite told the University of Southern California's Annenberg School for Communication last week. In quotes picked up by the Los Angeles Times, Cronkite said journalists need to find a way to better inform the public, suggesting they pressure their employers to replace the current roundups of celebrity profiles and personal health and finance pieces with "the news of the day." "If we fail at that," Cronkite warned, "our democracy, our republic, I think, is in serious danger." The CBS legend also said that he fears that the blogosphere could threaten the standing of the mainstream media, adding that news consumers are already confused by cable TV's "opinion journalism.""America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #2 October 3, 2005 Quote...average citizens are just too ignorant to cast their ballots wisely. Well, at least he limits it to average citizens...more than I would do. All you people who vote straight party ticket....your party may run a pig for office. Are you going to vote for the pig? Yeah it's been done before. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuote...average citizens are just too ignorant to cast their ballots wisely. Well, at least he limits it to average citizens...more than I would do. All you people who vote straight party ticket....your party may run a pig for office. Are you going to vote for the pig? Yeah it's been done before. One side elected a dead man"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #4 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote...average citizens are just too ignorant to cast their ballots wisely. Well, at least he limits it to average citizens...more than I would do. All you people who vote straight party ticket....your party may run a pig for office. Are you going to vote for the pig? Yeah it's been done before. One side elected a dead man Understandable; the alternative was a live Republican ass.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #5 October 3, 2005 Quote...Understandable; the alternative was a live Republican ass. See what I mean?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #6 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuote...Understandable; the alternative was a live Republican ass. See what I mean? Absolutely - a dead Democrat is clearly preferable to this guy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote...average citizens are just too ignorant to cast their ballots wisely. Well, at least he limits it to average citizens...more than I would do. All you people who vote straight party ticket....your party may run a pig for office. Are you going to vote for the pig? Yeah it's been done before. One side elected a dead man Understandable; the alternative was a live Republican ass. This crap doesn't bother me anymore. Why? One side is so damned arrogant that they think everyone that doesn't think as they do are stupid and un-educated The other side just can't understand why the other sided thinks like they do."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #8 October 3, 2005 Quote This crap doesn't bother me anymore. Why? One side is so damned arrogant that they think everyone that doesn't think as they do are stupid and un-educated The other side just can't understand why the other sided thinks like they do. Why start the thread then? I don't know about the population at large, but my college classes suggest that a majority of 18 - 22 year olds neither read a newspaper nor watch/listen any TV/radio news.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #9 October 3, 2005 Quote[reply All you people who vote straight party ticket....your party may run a pig for office. Are you going to vote for the pig? Yeah it's been done before. Sadly, that is the reason Teddy is still a senator in Mass."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 October 3, 2005 Just trying to understand the mind set of the sides......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #11 October 3, 2005 QuoteOne side is so damned arrogant that they think everyone that doesn't think as they do are stupid and un-educated Well I'm pretty liberal and to be honest I think that most people who vote for either side don't really know enough to make reasoned choices. Not to say that they shouldn't vote but that they need to make the effort to know more. That is what Cronkite is saying in the article too, not that ignorant people shouldn't be allowed to vote, but that there should be an effort to make the general population more politically savvy. I would also say that calling every supporter of the other side elitest arrogant snobs is, well, pretty damned arrogant.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #12 October 3, 2005 Quotebut my college classes suggest that a majority of 18 - 22 year olds neither read a newspaper nor watch/listen any TV/radio news. Wouldn't that just suggest that the majority of 18-22 year olds that attend your classes don't read/watch/ listen to news? JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteOne side is so damned arrogant that they think everyone that doesn't think as they do are stupid and un-educated Well I'm pretty liberal and to be honest I think that most people who vote for either side don't really know enough to make reasoned choices. Not to say that they shouldn't vote but that they need to make the effort to know more. That is what Cronkite is saying in the article too, not that ignorant people shouldn't be allowed to vote, but that there should be an effort to make the general population more politically savvy. I would also say that calling every supporter of the other side elitest arrogant snobs is, well, pretty damned arrogant. He makes the statement with the insinuation that those not agreeing with him should not vote because they would not vote against him if they were more educated. (at least that is my take) I have not heard of that level from other side.(but I would not say is does not exist)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #14 October 3, 2005 Quote...Absolutely - a dead Democrat is clearly preferable to this guy. Article from Mon Jan 28 2002? And the guy has an issue with nudity is your basis? Clearly he doesn't think like you do ergo he's unworthy of a vote? Am I over-extending by reading between the lines and seeing, "The only good republican is a dead one?" Maybe I shoud go find an similar article about your party of choice....nah, that would only piss you off and prevent any constrcutive discussion - not that this is contructive.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 October 3, 2005 Quote...I think that most people who vote for either side don't really know enough to make reasoned choices. Not to say that they shouldn't vote but that they need to make the effort to know more. Nail on the head....voting straight party ticket allows you to vote without putting much, if any, thought into the relative issues and the potential results of your action. A: Hey Look at me! I voted! B: How do you feel about X's position on the issues? A: Uhhhh, what are the issues?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #16 October 3, 2005 QuoteClearly he doesn't think like you do ergo he's unworthy of a vote? Absolutely. Why on earth would I want to vote for someone who doesn't think like me?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #17 October 3, 2005 QuoteHe makes the statement with the insinuation that those not agreeing with him should not vote because they would not vote against him if they were more educated. (at least that is my take) I have not heard of that level from other side.(but I would not say is does not exist) I don't see it. The comment about selecting leaders could be taken as 'only stupid people vote for Bush' but that is one hell of a stretch. I think you are reading his words with the mindset that he is an elitest liberal and therefore he is being condescending. When you have preconcieved ideas it is easy to find hidden meaning wherever you look.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #18 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteClearly he doesn't think like you do ergo he's unworthy of a vote? Absolutely. Why on earth would I want to vote for someone who doesn't think like me? Didn't say you should vote for him/her... But then you beg question....what do you do when a particular on your party ticket doesn't think like you? AND, when has there ever been a case where the candidate thinks like you do on every issue at hand? AND, when has there ever been a case where the entire party thinks like you do on every issue at hand thereby earning your vote all the way down the line?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteHe makes the statement with the insinuation that those not agreeing with him should not vote because they would not vote against him if they were more educated. (at least that is my take) I have not heard of that level from other side.(but I would not say is does not exist) I don't see it. The comment about selecting leaders could be taken as 'only stupid people vote for Bush' but that is one hell of a stretch. I think you are reading his words with the mindset that he is an elitest liberal and therefore he is being condescending. When you have preconcieved ideas it is easy to find hidden meaning wherever you look. Not much of a stretch at all, unfortunately.... look up his posts.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteHe makes the statement with the insinuation that those not agreeing with him should not vote because they would not vote against him if they were more educated. (at least that is my take) I have not heard of that level from other side.(but I would not say is does not exist) I don't see it. The comment about selecting leaders could be taken as 'only stupid people vote for Bush' but that is one hell of a stretch. I think you are reading his words with the mindset that he is an elitest liberal and therefore he is being condescending. When you have preconcieved ideas it is easy to find hidden meaning wherever you look. Could be.......I am making a few assumptions here........ some of them based on experience however."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #21 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuotebut my college classes suggest that a majority of 18 - 22 year olds neither read a newspaper nor watch/listen any TV/radio news. Wouldn't that just suggest that the majority of 18-22 year olds that attend your classes don't read/watch/ listen to news? J Right, and over the last 20 years I have had about 4500 of them in my classes - a larger sample than Gallup uses in its polls.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #22 October 3, 2005 QuoteI don't know about the population at large, but my college classes suggest that a majority of 18 - 22 year olds neither read a newspaper nor watch/listen any TV/radio news. Those of us who do are constantly complaining about the bias and lack of credibility in the media, so who can blame them? They may well be the ones making the smart choice, i.e., not wasting their time reading newspapers or following TV/radio news. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #23 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuote...Absolutely - a dead Democrat is clearly preferable to this guy. Article from Mon Jan 28 2002? And the guy has an issue with nudity is your basis? Clearly he doesn't think like you do ergo he's unworthy of a vote? Am I over-extending by reading between the lines and seeing, "The only good republican is a dead one?" Maybe I shoud go find an similar article about your party of choice....nah, that would only piss you off and prevent any constrcutive discussion - not that this is contructive. No, the Missouri vote was pretty clearly an "anyone but Ashcroft" vote. His extreme postions were pretty well known before the nude statue fiasco. And since the election rules kept the dead guy on the ballot (more stupidity), that was the alternative the voters went with. And his having been rejected in favor of a dead guy, Bush appointed him AG!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #24 October 3, 2005 Actual conversation many years ago with a guy my age (we were in our early 20's at the time.) Me: You're gona' vote a straight party ticket? Him: Yes, why? Me: What if there is a better candidate for some of the races in the other party? Him: Doesn't matter. If they're XXX Party they get my vote. Me: Why? Do you know all the candidates? Him: Nope. Don't pay any attention to the individuals. What is important is the Party. My mom and dad voted XXX Party and I'm gona' vote XXX Party. Me: What if some of them are known crooks or frauds, or have spent tax dollars on bogus projects and expenses? Him: Doesn't matter. The Party will sort it out later. This was during the McGovern v Nixon campaign. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 October 3, 2005 QuoteRight, and over the last 20 years I have had about 4500 of them in my classes - a larger sample than Gallup uses in its polls. And then what is the typical party split of college students at your college? Just wondering if these completely clueless kids are primarily dems or reps. And then what do they become after they learn a thing or two once they are out of the 'gentle guiding influence' of their educational overlord professors..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
