Steel 0 #26 October 5, 2005 To be completely honest, I would not feel the least bit guilty killing the fishermen responsible for this. As matter of fact, I wish, I could have that pleasure. .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #27 October 5, 2005 don't get me wrong, I love dogs.....but here is my question: If they are stray dogs, they really just a wild animal. So, how is this any different than using smaller fish, put them on a hook alive and use them to fish with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #28 October 5, 2005 Quotedon't get me wrong, I love dogs.....but here is my question: If they are stray dogs, they really just a wild animal. So, how is this any different than using smaller fish, put them on a hook alive and use them to fish with? Are these fishermen totally secluded from society? Have they never known that dogs are man's best freind? But then even if they did this with a deer, it would still be significantly more against human social norms. Actually, if you really love dogs you can probably answer this yourself. Have you used live bait for fishing in the form of squid? Then would you do this if you had a stray dog to do it with? Why not? .If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #29 October 5, 2005 QuoteAre these fishermen totally secluded from society? Have they never known that dogs are man's best freind? But then even if they did this with a deer, it would still be significantly more against human social norms. Actually, if you really love dogs you can probably answer this yourself. Have you used live bait for fishing in the form of squid? Then would you do this if you had a stray dog to do it with? Why not? hey, I am not saying that I would do it. Actualy I am outraged myself. However, there is noting wrong with stepping back every once in a while and try and figure out why you are outraged about one thing and not about a very similar thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 October 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteAre these fishermen totally secluded from society? Have they never known that dogs are man's best freind? But then even if they did this with a deer, it would still be significantly more against human social norms. Actually, if you really love dogs you can probably answer this yourself. Have you used live bait for fishing in the form of squid? Then would you do this if you had a stray dog to do it with? Why not? hey, I am not saying that I would do it. Actualy I am outraged myself. However, there is noting wrong with stepping back every once in a while and try and figure out why you are outraged about one thing and not about a very similar thing. They have never petted a fish or had a fish lick their face when they needed a friend. Same reason you feel more pain when something bad happens to someone you know as opposed to hearing bad news on tv. - - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #31 October 5, 2005 Quote"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your acordian" - Gen Shwarzkopf Great quote....don't think you can necessarily hate France for the bait thing, but damn they're worthless. Worthless? For those who measure one's worthiness by one's ability to wage war, I can only concur. Hopefully some people have different criteria. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #32 October 5, 2005 QuoteThen there were a few french resistance fighters in WWII. A few.. Look at what Eisenhower wrote about them. I'm sure thousands of our soldiers wouldve faced certain death had it not for these fighters smuggling them out to Spain. General Dwight D. Eisenhower wrote: "Throughout France the Resistance had been of inestimable value in the campaign. Without their great assistance the liberation of France would have consumed a much longer time and meant greater losses to ourselves." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #33 October 5, 2005 I'm hoping that the Sun is of the similiar journalistic quality as the Enquirer. As far as the picture goes, I'm hoping that it was an image stolen from a vet file or something of a dog that accidently had its nose pierced. I find it hard to believe that someone would acutally use a live dog as bait for sharks. How little compassion would that person have? How sad of a statement. And I agree with the reflection of why that would be a bad thing... also acknowledging that some cultures eat dog. I feel that the reason it would be bad would be because of the cruelty associated with that practice. Knowing that the dog will be bitten and helpless and in pain/distress for the last moments of its life. UNACCEPTABLE cruelty... so that's why I still don't want to believe that article is true. Karen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #34 October 5, 2005 >I'm hoping that the Sun is of the similiar journalistic quality as the Enquirer. It is. Getting mad at such a story is like a German poster getting mad at Bush because he's a drunkard (as reported in the latest Enqirer.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #35 October 5, 2005 QuoteI'm hoping that the Sun is of the similiar journalistic quality as the Enquirer. Draw your own conclusion. www.thesun.co.uk/ Be sure to check out page 3. www.page3.com/index2.shtml www.bloggerheads.com/page_3.asp Oh, and it's owned by Rupert Murdoch... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #36 October 5, 2005 I gather you doubt the authenticity of reports by comedian Steve Martin on the cruel practices of cat juggling Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #37 October 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm hoping that the Sun is of the similiar journalistic quality as the Enquirer. Draw your own conclusion. www.thesun.co.uk/ Be sure to check out page 3. www.page3.com/index2.shtml www.bloggerheads.com/page_3.asp Oh, and it's owned by Rupert Murdoch Well, it sure answered some questions I've pondered all my life. QuoteWhat makes farts smell? The technical name for a fart is 'flatus' and flatus is produced as a result of bacterial activity in the large intestine. These bacteria ferment undigested food, releasing nitrogen, carbon dioxide, hydrogen, methane and hydrogen sulphide. What a stinker ... we get to the bottom of it The last three are produced in quite small amounts but hydrogen sulphide gas is famous for its smell of bad eggs, even in small quantities. This is where the smell of farts comes from. Incidentally, the methane and hydrogen in flatus makes it quite inflammable, and so the stories you may have heard of wild parties in which someone, who was probably very drunk, is persuaded to try to set fire to their farts is not as much of a tall-tale as you might have thought. The longer a fart is held in, the larger the proportion of inert nitrogen it contains because other gases tend to be absorbed into the bloodstream through the walls of the intestine. So a nervous person who swallows a lot of air and moves stuff through his digestive system rapidly may have a lot of oxygen in his farts, because his body doesn’t have time to absorb the oxygen. The age-old question ... what came first? Which came first, the chicken or the egg? If you’re expecting me to say there’s no answer to that question you’d be wrong. The egg came first. Most scientists think that all life on earth evolved. Evolution is the gradual development of life to suit its surroundings. If you go back in history, what we today call a chicken would have looked different. For example, it might have had webbed feet which made it hard to walk. Then, one day, one of the chickens laid an egg and from that egg came a bird that didn’t have webbed feet – it was just like our present-day chickens. It had evolved. But it all had to start with the egg, so the egg came first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #38 October 5, 2005 QuoteGeneral Dwight D. Eisenhower wrote: "Throughout France the Resistance had been of inestimable value in the campaign. Without their great assistance the liberation of France would have consumed a much longer time and meant greater losses to ourselves." All this time I thought we helped them liberate their country.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #39 October 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteGeneral Dwight D. Eisenhower wrote: "Throughout France the Resistance had been of inestimable value in the campaign. Without their great assistance the liberation of France would have consumed a much longer time and meant greater losses to ourselves." All this time I thought we helped them liberate their country. And how does Eisenhower's statement say otherwise? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #40 October 5, 2005 QuoteFrance has lower infant mortality rate than the US. And a higher unemployment rate. So freaking what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #41 October 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteFair's fair. There are plenty of people here who hate the U.S. So they shouldn't complain if I choose to hate France. To each his own. true, though since you have often eluded to the fact that the opinions of those who hate the US are not valid....I guess by your own logic, your opinions aren't very valid either.... That statement is logically challenged. It's not that all opinions would be invalid. Just those directed towards the country which you hate. So, feel free to disregard the rare comments I make about France. And likewise, everyone will disregard as automatically invalid the reams of comments made by the America-haters against the U.S. Deal? Be careful about accepting this deal. You're in danger of invalidating a huge number of your own messages... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #42 October 5, 2005 QuoteTo be completely honest, I would not feel the least bit guilty killing the fishermen responsible for this. As matter of fact, I wish, I could have that pleasure. That makes you no better than them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #43 October 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteThen there were a few french resistance fighters in WWII. A few. Look at what Eisenhower wrote about them. Yes. A few. The reason I complimented them is the same reason that Eisenhower did. But compared to the total population of France, I think the Vichy citizenry far outnumbered the resistance fighters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #44 October 5, 2005 your right I think I was reading it incorrectly.....I will now attempt to turn my brain back onYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #45 October 6, 2005 QuoteThat statement is logically challenged. It's not that all opinions would be invalid. Just those directed towards the country which you hate. So, feel free to disregard the rare comments I make about France. And likewise, everyone will disregard as automatically invalid the reams of comments made by the America-haters against the U.S. Deal? Be careful about accepting this deal. You're in danger of invalidating a huge number of your own messages... I have never stated I hate America, unlike your clear statement of hatred against France. If you have a hard time take criticism, I would suggest skinning an elephant and thicken up..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikki_ZH 0 #46 October 6, 2005 My only comment in this discussion (France vs USA) is in the enclosed pdf...Michi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #47 October 6, 2005 That picture isn't quite fair. It should be more like Paris vs. Houston, or any big city in Texas -- Houston (#1), Dallas (#5), San Antonio(#8) and Ft. Worth (#10) are all in the top ten fattest cities in the USA. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #48 October 6, 2005 QuoteI have never stated I hate America. You may not have said; "I hate America". But your messages over time convey that feeling. For example, here are some recent quotes from you: Would have been nice if your president could have figured some of this out before he sent in the troops, killed a few thousand and smiled on the deck of a aircraft carrier telling the world the mission was accomplished..... Unfortunately, our President was not bright enough to realize an Arabian horse judge was not the best person to run FEMA. yeah especially when it goes to a contractor who has made some nice contributions to your campaign. We all know these "rules" are in place to get the lowest cost, it has nothing to do with kick backs, political favours or anything like that I think this situation would ahve been much better if citizens had been armed. At least then they could have just shot the sherrif and his deputies so they could save themselves. It is hard to change the attitude of: we are american and we can do whatever we want and the rest of the world will follow. it is the president's home state, no federal employee would want to fuck up in that field. How many Tutsis were supplied weapons while they were systematically slaughtered by Hutus? Ohh, how about all the people in Darfur getting slaughtered and killed by the Janjaweeb, how many of those are you supplying arms to? The holier than thou and we do it for the good of the world attitude is both dilusional and sickening. Ahhh yes, we fucked up the natives in America, why learn from any of that... (GITMO)yup in that one particular case in a roundabout way they found that for this acse there was no abuse... So, how about all the other cases? And so on... When there's an anti-American thread present, you jump on the speeding bandwagon and play the tuba. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #49 October 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteI have never stated I hate America. You may not have said; "I hate America". But your messages over time convey that feeling. For example, here are some recent quotes from you: Would have been nice if your president could have figured some of this out before he sent in the troops, killed a few thousand and smiled on the deck of a aircraft carrier telling the world the mission was accomplished..... Unfortunately, our President was not bright enough to realize an Arabian horse judge was not the best person to run FEMA. yeah especially when it goes to a contractor who has made some nice contributions to your campaign. We all know these "rules" are in place to get the lowest cost, it has nothing to do with kick backs, political favours or anything like that I think this situation would ahve been much better if citizens had been armed. At least then they could have just shot the sherrif and his deputies so they could save themselves. It is hard to change the attitude of: we are american and we can do whatever we want and the rest of the world will follow. it is the president's home state, no federal employee would want to fuck up in that field. How many Tutsis were supplied weapons while they were systematically slaughtered by Hutus? Ohh, how about all the people in Darfur getting slaughtered and killed by the Janjaweeb, how many of those are you supplying arms to? The holier than thou and we do it for the good of the world attitude is both dilusional and sickening. Ahhh yes, we fucked up the natives in America, why learn from any of that... (GITMO)yup in that one particular case in a roundabout way they found that for this acse there was no abuse... So, how about all the other cases? And so on... When there's an anti-American thread present, you jump on the speeding bandwagon and play the tuba. What's new in the above collection? Could've been from anyone else outside North US. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andybr6 0 #50 October 6, 2005 This seems to suggest that the practice, while horiffic, is limited to a fairly small group of people. Quote employing dogs in shark-fishing is largely the province of a small group of amateur fisherman rather than large numbers of professionals, that the dogs used are generally dead animals picked up from roadsides or culled from the island's large population of unwanted strays (estimated at 150,000), and that the no-longer-alive animals are attached to unattended buoyed "shark trap" platforms rather than dragged alive behind boats http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/sharkbait.asp As far as 'The Sun' goes it is the gutter press of the UK and I would not give credit to a single thing that you read in that paper or on their website. As far as I am aware they are just as quick to slander America or any other country to sell papers. ------------------------------------------------ "All men can fly, but sadly, only in one direction" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites