mnealtx 0 #1 September 29, 2005 Watching the vote on MSNBC... "Ayes" are over 51 already. *edit: Confirmed by a 78-22 vote Any bets on who takes O'Connor's spot?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #2 September 29, 2005 Congrats is right.... It was a good choice. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 September 29, 2005 I agree that this was a good choice. It went amazingly smoothly - there weren't even nasty protests by People for the American Way or smear campaigns by moveon.org. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 September 29, 2005 I was surprised with how smoothly it went, as well. I forsee a lot more flak over O'Connor's spot. Expect the spin machines to be fully wound for that one!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #5 September 29, 2005 QuoteI was surprised with how smoothly it went, as well. I forsee a lot more flak over O'Connor's spot. Expect the spin machines to be fully wound for that one! i think you are spot on w/ that one... full guns blazin for the next one for sure... battle stations everyone. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 September 29, 2005 There will only be spin if GWB picks poorly. But Roberts was a great choice for consensus between party lines. The next pick needs to follow suit. It's a good place to be right now to see how it plays. If GWB goes all partisan in the nomination, then he'll have pretty well nailed the coffin shut for me. But if he picks someone like Roberts again (who appears will do the job based on the law without a partisan slant) then it's a good indication that he's not trying to play politics in at least this critical duty. That would mean a lot. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #7 September 29, 2005 QuoteThere will only be spin if GWB picks poorly. But Roberts was a great choice for consensus between party lines. The next pick needs to follow suit. It's a good place to be right now to see how it plays. If GWB goes all partisan in the nomination, then he'll have pretty well nailed the coffin shut for me. But if he picks someone like Roberts again (who appears will do the job based on the law without a partisan slant) then it's a good indication that he's not trying to play politics in at least this critical duty. That would mean a lot. I agree pretty in total. Except, I am pretty unhappy with Bush already. But if he picks poorly, the need to create spin is unnecessary. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j_ung 0 #8 September 29, 2005 You might be right. Rehnquist's seat is a conservative for a conservative -- even trade, politically speaking. O'Conner is a centrist, which could very well make her seat more contentious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #9 September 29, 2005 QuoteI forsee a lot more flak over O'Connor's spot. Expect the spin machines to be fully wound for that one! Ahh, but Bush will whup the Democrats again. This time he'll nominate a woman or a black to the position. And that will cut the Dems off at the legs, because they can't be seen to be picking on a woman or a black. It's not politically correct to attack a woman or a black. They would be accused of being sexist or racist. That would make them look mean, and would cause them to lose votes from those quarters. Just watch and see how Bush plays this one... I predict a conservative woman or a conservative black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #10 September 29, 2005 I don't care as long as the nominee upholds the law even when the interpretation is against their personal bias. They can be a eunich with green skin for that matter. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 September 30, 2005 QuoteI don't care as long as the nominee upholds the law even when the interpretation is against their personal bias. They can be a eunich with green skin for that matter. Hopefully, that will get better what with O'Connor retiring...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #12 September 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteI forsee a lot more flak over O'Connor's spot. Expect the spin machines to be fully wound for that one! Ahh, but Bush will whup the Democrats again. This time he'll nominate a woman or a black to the position. And that will cut the Dems off at the legs, because they can't be seen to be picking on a woman or a black. It's not politically correct to attack a woman or a black. They would be accused of being sexist or racist. That would make them look mean, and would cause them to lose votes from those quarters. Just watch and see how Bush plays this one... I predict a conservative woman or a conservative black. I predict Janice Rogers Brown. He's already run up the trial balloon on her. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 September 30, 2005 QuoteI predict Janice Rogers Brown. He's already run up the trial balloon on her. Yes - both black and a woman! How could the democrats possibly criticize her, without ostracizing their own base? She's perfect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 September 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteI predict Janice Rogers Brown. He's already run up the trial balloon on her. Yes - both black and a woman! How could the democrats possibly criticize her, without ostracizing their own base? She's perfect. You're response is about 'beating' the competition. But that's the crap people get frustrated about both parties. What kind of judge is she? Does she judge fairly or does her personal politics skew her decisions? Roberts was nice example of a -person- that fits the model of a good -judge-. (note words person and judge don't have any race or gender or religion connotation) If it's just because of the tactics of using black and female appeal, then we know that the dems still attack anyway by calling the black people "not REALLY black/oreo/house slave" etc, the females "not REALLY female/traitors/housewife" when all along they just want to interchange (reinterpret if you will) the terms to mean Ultra democratic. So I'm hoping she's qualified as well as an example of a leader that's not white/male, not just a tactical choice to choke off the unreasoned segment of the political opposition. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #15 September 30, 2005 QuoteYou're response is about 'beating' the competition. But that's the crap people get frustrated about both parties. I agree. That's why I'm voting Billvon in 2008. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #16 September 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteI predict Janice Rogers Brown. He's already run up the trial balloon on her. Yes - both black and a woman! How could the democrats possibly criticize her, without ostracizing their own base? She's perfect. You're response is about 'beating' the competition. But that's the crap people get frustrated about both parties. But I thought bashing the other party into submission is how we get shit done in this country!!! That is the AMERICAN WAY!!! Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #17 September 30, 2005 QuoteYou're response is about 'beating' the competition. But that's the crap people get frustrated about both parties. That is made necessary by the tactics of the opposition. Roberts got over easy because he was a conservative replacing a conservative. The Dems didn't lose their 5-4 liberal majority on the court. The vote was 78-22 in favor. That means that about half of the Democrats in the Senate voted in favor of Roberts. But when a conservative is nominated to replace O'Conner, it will be a conservative to replace a liberal. That will tip the balance of court into a 5-4 favor for conservatives. The Dems lost the Presidency. They lost the majority in the Senate. They lost the majority in the House. All they've got left is the Supreme Court. This is like the Alamo for them. That's why I predict all hell will break loose. And we all know what happened to the defenders of the Alamo... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #18 September 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteYou're response is about 'beating' the competition. But that's the crap people get frustrated about both parties. That is made necessary by the tactics of the opposition. Roberts got over easy because he was a conservative replacing a conservative. The Dems didn't lose their 5-4 liberal majority on the court. The vote was 78-22 in favor. That means that about half of the Democrats in the Senate voted in favor of Roberts. But when a conservative is nominated to replace O'Conner, it will be a conservative to replace a liberal. That will tip the balance of court into a 5-4 favor for conservatives. The Dems lost the Presidency. They lost the majority in the Senate. They lost the majority in the House. All they've got left is the Supreme Court. This is like the Alamo for them. That's why I predict all hell will break loose. And we all know what happened to the defenders of the Alamo... Yeah, its good. We really should keep up this cycle of stupidity. The "they did it first!" response always makes things better. What a crock of fucking shit. But then, I guess a divided country is a GOOD thing. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #19 September 30, 2005 The best thing is that those who gloat generally fall the hardest... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 October 3, 2005 QuoteThat is made necessary by the tactics of the opposition. What a terrible position. Both parties are guilty and if we choose to take the high road, it doesn't matter who started it. QuoteRoberts got over easy because he was a conservative replacing a conservative. The Dems didn't lose their 5-4 liberal majority on the court. The vote was 78-22 in favor. That means that about half of the Democrats in the Senate voted in favor of Roberts. And those 22 were strictly partisan and should be ashamed. I heard the arguments and they were sad. But I don't doubt the other side of the aisle also has 22 just like them. QuoteBut when a conservative is nominated to replace O'Conner, it will be a conservative to replace a liberal. That will tip the balance of court into a 5-4 favor for conservatives. I completely doubt it. The left is ALWAYS on full court press. And the Roberts nomination was just as important to them as this one. It worked because he was a good candidate and that woke up all but 22 on the left to voting what's right rather than what's partisan. It worked, and this formula to nominate a good candidate should continue rather than just playing race or gender or whatever. QuoteThe Dems lost the Presidency. They lost the majority in the Senate. They lost the majority in the House. All they've got left is the Supreme Court. This is like the Alamo for them. That's why I predict all hell will break loose. That's true. But if they put forward good candidates rather than shrieking partisan hacks the next few rounds, they'll get the swing next time. Particularly as the current attitude is encouraging the right to pull in their own more partisan type due to complacency. This is the normal process as party power swings back and forth. It's usually a centralizing force. My big worry is this trend is broken and both parties are now migrating to a leadership pattern that is more partisan, more divided, and more extreme rather than more centralized. I'm very worried about the DNC because that viewpoint has much to add, but the more public figures keep getting further out. But it's also happening on the right to a more subtle extent. The center doesn't have anything to identify with. I blame reality tv and twinkies filling. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #21 October 3, 2005 Quote I blame reality tv and twinkies filling. Woe is the day when a man can go around blaming twinkie filling for his....errrr...woes. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
