Arctic ice melting continues

[kallend 2,175]

From that bastion of Liberal journalism, the Anchorage Daily News:

www.adn.com/news/environment/story/7026392p-6929245c.html

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Global Warming is also occuring on Mars.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/03/09/mars.polar.caps/


Maybe this is why.

http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/12/2

Naw, can't be. It's gotta be all the fault of humans. Especially Bush!!

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[mr2mk1g 10]

It always amuses me that pretty much the only country in the entire first world that does not accept that human activity is having a negative effect on our climate is.... America.

It's kinda like the retarded kid sat at the back of the class that just doesn't get how to take away in maths class.

Sad really though.

[jumper03 0]

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Global Warming i also occuring on Mars.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/03/09/mars.polar.caps/


Maybe this is why.

http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/12/2

Naw, can't be. It's gotta be all the fault of humans. Especially Bush!!

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I'm at a loss for words......


I put the equating of those two articles to the disappearance of artic ice (also reported in the last issue of EOS) on the same plane as the answer my students in physical science for non-science majors gave me for conversion of the distance between two cities from miles to kilometers. Turns out, according to them that 420 miles is equal to 550 kilograms...

Scars remind us that the past is real

[Gravitymaster 0]

I didn't equate the 2 articles. Just pointing out there are more causes for ice caps melting than just human caused global warming.

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[Channman 2]

If we just throw some water on it that should do it.

[Gravitymaster 0]

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The climate on Mars is showing a warming trend
and recent images have shown the first evidence of seismic activity on
Earth's neighbor planet, scientists said on Tuesday.

New gullies that did not exist three years ago have been pictured on a
Mars sand dune -- just another of what scientists say are surprising
discoveries found by cameras aboard the 8-year-old Mars Global
Surveyor that are changing notions about the climate and formation of
Mars.

"To see new gullies and other changes in Mars surface features on a
time span of a few years presents us with a more active, dynamic
planet than many suspected," said Michael Meyer, NASA's Mars
Exploration Program chief scientist.

Images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera on board the Surveyor showed
that boulders have fallen down a Martian slope in the past two years.

Michael Malin, principal investigator for the Mars Orbiter Camera,
told reporters it was the first evidence scientists had seen of some
kind of seismic activity, or possible "marsquake," on the planet.

If so, "it could speak to the planet having warmth in the interior ...
which means the interior could be more active than previously thought
and there could be a habitable environment in the deeper regions of
Mars," said Jack Mustard, geological sciences professor at Brown
University in Providence, Rhode Island.

Malin said images of Mars' southern polar cap showed that scarps
formed there are retreating at "a prodigious rate" of about 10 feet
per Mars year. Mars years are nearly twice as long as Earth years.

The images, documenting changes from 1999 to 2005, suggest the climate
on Mars is presently warmer, and perhaps getting warmer still, than it
was several decades or centuries ago just as the Earth experienced its
own Ice Ages. Malin said scientists had no explanation yet as to why
Mars might be warming.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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It always amuses me that pretty much the only country in the entire first world that does not accept that human activity is having a negative effect on our climate is.... America.

It's kinda like the retarded kid sat at the back of the class that just doesn't get how to take away in maths class.

Sad really though.

What temperature is the earth supposed to be?

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[mr2mk1g 10]

Does it matter? It doesn't change whether or not humans are affecting the temperature does it.

[tcnelson 1]

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It's gotta be all the fault of humans.

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It always amuses me that pretty much the only country in the entire first world that does not accept that human activity is having a negative effect on our climate is.... America.

It's kinda like the retarded kid sat at the back of the class that just doesn't get how to take away in maths class.

i have to comment on this as it is wholely amuzing.

gmaster makes a statement about the climate change being all the fault of humans. i.e. humans have changed it but it is not entirely a cause-effect scenario stemming solely from humans.

then, mr2 chides him because he said that humans don't have any effect on the climate (gmaster never said this) and further makes an analogy about a retarded kid not being able to comprehend what is going on.

anybody but me see the irony?

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[Gravitymaster 0]

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It's gotta be all the fault of humans.

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It always amuses me that pretty much the only country in the entire first world that does not accept that human activity is having a negative effect on our climate is.... America.

It's kinda like the retarded kid sat at the back of the class that just doesn't get how to take away in maths class.

i have to comment on this as it is wholely amuzing.

gmaster makes a statement about the climate change being all the fault of humans. i.e. humans have changed it but it is not entirely a cause-effect scenario stemming solely from humans.

then, mr2 chides him because he said that humans don't have any effect on the climate (gmaster never said this) and further makes an analogy about a retarded kid not being able to comprehend what is going on.

anybody but me see the irony?

Yep, it's just too early to start a fight.

[EricTheRed 0]

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Global Warming is also occuring on Mars.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/03/09/mars.polar.caps/


Maybe this is why.

http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/12/2

Naw, can't be. It's gotta be all the fault of humans. Especially Bush!!

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I'll accept that there MAY be other influences on the heat balance.
Here's a question for you.
If there is a fire burining would it make it hotter or colder to throw more fuel on it?

If there is more heat input, adding CO2 will just make the capture of that heat that much more efficient, making your coorelation a strong argument for reducing CO2 outputs even more drastically.

illegible usually

[mr2mk1g 10]

hmm... yes, retarded people not comprehending what's going on. Funny when that happens isn't it.

I note that the US (as a political body) doesn't accept that humans have any effect on the climate. I post that I think it’s funny that the US is pretty much out on a limb with that idea.

I happen to post that thought shortly after Gravitymaster and in my post note that I'm talking about WHAT AMERICA THINKS NOT WHAT GRAVITYMASTER THINKS.

Perhaps I should use shorter words so the kids at the back of the class don't get left behind.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Global Warming is also occuring on Mars.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/03/09/mars.polar.caps/


Maybe this is why.

http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/12/2

Naw, can't be. It's gotta be all the fault of humans. Especially Bush!!

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I'll accept that there MAY be other influences on the heat balance.
Here's a question for you.
If there is a fire burining would it make it hotter or colder to throw more fuel on it?

If there is more heat input, adding CO2 will just make the capture of that heat that much more efficient, making your coorelation a strong argument for reducing CO2 outputs even more drastically.

I'm not suggesting humans haven't had some effect on global warming. I do take issue with the Chicken Littles who think that in the entire existence of the earth, global warming and cooling, regardless of the reasons, is unique.

[tcnelson 1]

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Perhaps I should use shorter words so the kids at the back of the class don't get left behind.

[raises hand] can i be excused to go to the bathroom professor? my brain is full.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[mr2mk1g 10]

Kallend's the professor - I'm a "learned friend".

[ScottishJohn 25]

If they can't understand evolution what chance do they have of understanding global warming.

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[billvon 3,132]

>Global Warming is also occuring on Mars.

So you've gone from the second to the third stage of climate-change denial. "OK, maybe it's happening, but it has NOTHING to do with us!"

I predict that within two years you will move on to the fourth stage, which is "OK, maybe we _do_ have something to do with it, but maybe the changes will be good. What, didn't you eco-freaks ever think of THAT?"

The good thing about having a wide range of denials is that you can always use another one when the one you are using gets shot down.

[EricTheRed 0]

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I'm not suggesting humans haven't had some effect on global warming. I do take issue with the Chicken Littles who think that in the entire existence of the earth, global warming and cooling, regardless of the reasons, is unique.

Hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, pandemic disease outbreaks, meteor impacts and tidal waves are also non-unique events in earth's history.

Doesn't mean these are good things...

We MIGHT be able to slow the warming, giving the earth and our societies time to adjust.
Catastrophic change will not result in the end of the world, just the end of the world as we recognise it.

illegible usually

[meltdown 0]

Especially Bush!!
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No, not especially Bush. Bush ALONE is to blame!! Well, I'm sure Tom Delay had something to do with it too, and Fox News of course.

[meltdown 0]

US is pretty much out on a limb
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Well, since the UN and the "global community" have been right about everything else, I guess we should just go along.....oh, wait

[tcnelson 1]

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If they can't understand evolution what chance do they have of understanding global warming.

uhhh...who's they?

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[lawrocket 3]

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"it could speak to the planet having warmth in the interior ...

I'd say the presence of the largest volcano in the solar system (84k feet tall and the size of Arizona) would indicate that Mars does have warmth in the interior. Then again, I'm no scientist....

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rehmwa 2]

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"it could speak to the planet having warmth in the interior ...

I'd say the presence of the largest volcano in the solar system (84k feet tall and the size of Arizona) would indicate that Mars does have warmth in the interior. Then again, I'm no scientist....

but I did play one on TV

{{the judges would also accept "but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night" as well}}

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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I predict that within two years you will move on to the fourth stage, which is "OK, maybe we _do_ have something to do with it, but maybe the changes will be good. What, didn't you eco-freaks ever think of THAT?"

I live in a Country that has ~40% of it's land mass covered in permafrost and thus produces no crops. Explain to me again why global warming is bad.