DeLay Is Charged With Criminal Conspiracy in Texas

[Guest 1010]

>Glad we agree on health care! Yes I think the government should cover down

Now we had a nice little conversation going, right up until you misrepresent me as to saying the government should pay.

Hope you mature beyond your current views. Many pro-choice single ladies become pro-life mothers, many unconcerned single guys become over taxed and over regulated small business owners. Then they become Republicans.


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[billvon 3,114]

>many unconcerned single guys become over taxed and over regulated
>small business owners. Then they become Republicans.

I'm married now and get taxed heavily both on my salary and on our small business (rigging.) But that's part of being an american and supporting our government, even when they do idiotic things. And I'm definitely not a republican.

[Johnnyskydive 0]

I didn't intend to misrepresent you and imply that you agree that the government should pay...that is my opinion...that they should....you said you thought everyone needed health care also....therefore we both agree that everyone should, indeed, have health care. We are just in disagreement as in to how to come to this result!

Johnny Skydive!

[Guest 1010]

>>Would it be better for government to become EVEN MORE involved
>>in our health care decisions?

>Again, no.

But that's what you will get, in spades. Are you or the Doc familiar with the Oregon Health Care plan? State control over what gets covered, and what doesn't. It was sold to the voters by covering many thing for many people, when out of political favor and still a huge sink for $$, fewer procedure covered, fewer people covered, but yet more government employees to run it. Multiples of the original cost estimate.

>The constitution does not call for uniform taxation. It calls for uniform duties, imposts and excises.

nit picking

>I agree. But we're in the midst of one of the largest growth spurts the federal government has ever seen - and this from the 'small government' party. Democrats are no better. There is little chance of ever reducing the size of government, absent something like an armed rebellion.


Do you have any recommendations for reducing (or slowing the size of the growth as Reagan was ridiculed for saying) government, so the economy has a chance to support it?

The only thing I have to recommend is divided government.

You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two.

[Guest 1010]

>We are just in disagreement as in to how to come to this result!

Are you old enough to remember the plan Hilary Clinton proposed to nationalize health care in 1994?

I am always amazed at the left, who say they value freedom and want to do their own thing personally, only to invite government into my life via taxes, nationalized health care, you name it.

You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two.

[GTAVercetti 0]

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You can distribute your money however you please....your tax money however is distributed by the government. And thank God that is the way it goes....we have way too many selfish and self centered people in this country.

taxes are a part of government. I recognize that. But it seems that your philosophy is the usual Marx response: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

And that is something I do not agree with...at all.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[kallend 2,147]

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>We are just in disagreement as in to how to come to this result!

Are you old enough to remember the plan Hilary Clinton proposed to nationalize health care in 1994?

I am always amazed at the left, who say they value freedom and want to do their own thing personally, only to invite government into my life via taxes, nationalized health care, you name it.

Right - the current US system of healthcare is SO GOOD that the US ranks 43rd in the world in infant mortality rates www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html.

See where those socialized medicine states rank. Even Cuba ranks better than the US.

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And that is something I do not agree with...at all.

Well certainly you can agree that the rural people are stupid and need to have their minds controlled. It's all their fault. If only they'd be more like the urban people then all would be well.

Now that's what I call tolerance and enlightenment.

I mean, that's how we make a better society, we have to first make those different from us realize they are inferior beings. Then we make sure they understand we are all equal, just that some pigs are more equal than others.

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[JohnRich 4]

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>You would think that 'ol Ronnie would have been more careful
> to get his facts straight in the first place.

Yep. He expected Delay to keep his word.

I was referring to the way Earle charged Delay with violating a law created in 2003, for something he did in 2002...

News story: Third grand jury had refused DeLay indictment

A grand jury last week refused to indict former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay as prosecutors raced to salvage their felony case against the Republican.

In a written statement, District Attorney Ronnie Earle acknowledged that prosecutors presented their case to three grand juries — not just the two they had discussed — and one grand jury refused to indict DeLay. When questions arose about whether the state's conspiracy statute applied to the first indictment returned last Wednesday, prosecutors presented a new money-laundering charge to second grand jury on Friday because the term of the initial grand jury had expired.

Working on its last day Friday, the second grand jury refused to indict DeLay.

Earle's statement on Tuesday said he took money- laundering and conspiracy charges to a third grand jury on Monday.

White suggested that Earle released his statement Tuesday because he feared reporters would learn about the no-bill.

"It just gets worse and worse," DeGuerin (Delay's attorney) said. "He's gone to three grand juries over four days. Where does it stop?"

Ahhh, jury-shopping, another sleazy tactic from Ronnie Earl.

But what the hell - the discussion has been hijacked for a host of other unrelated political topics...

[kallend 2,147]

seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1153AP_Lobbyist_Fraud_DeLay.html

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