AlexCrowley 0 #1 September 28, 2005 Pilot placed on No Fly List. So, the TSA have cancelled fast checkins for frequent flyers, are still going to roll out the Secure Flight initiative, albeit without commercial data in it. It still remains to be seen how exactly the No Fly list is going to be used accurately. "Remember what the no-fly list is. It's a list of people who are so dangerous that they can't be allowed to board an airplane under any circumstances, yet so innocent that they can't be arrested -- even under the provisions of the PATRIOT Act." - Bruce Schneier I realize that there's a very large emotional reaction from American's in response to 911 (very passionate "NEVER AGAIN!!" type reactions), but so far the TSAs response has been almost totally assbackward - creating an illusion of security for the public while either increasing the risk in some areas or simply maintaining the status quo. That the No Fly list hasn't caused public outcry constantly baffles me. There's a situation where any US citizen or resident can be put on a list that effectively halts their ability to travel yet cannot be defended against in a court of law. Those cases where the court have tried to find out details have been rebuffed due ot national security issues, leaving the victim with absolutely no answers or recourse. But thank god they have my taking my shoes off at security! I feel safer! TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #2 September 28, 2005 I have my own plane and I allow myself aboard most of the time without removing my shoes or undergoing a cavity search.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #3 September 28, 2005 QuoteI allow myself aboard most of the time without... undergoing a cavity search. We've all got our little something extra's for the weekends eh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #4 September 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteI allow myself aboard most of the time without... undergoing a cavity search. We've all got our little something extra's for the weekends eh. Hey, what are dentists for anyway?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckbrown 0 #5 September 28, 2005 Quote I have my own plane and I allow myself aboard most of the time without removing my shoes or undergoing a cavity search. Most of the time?!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 September 28, 2005 QuoteQuote I have my own plane and I allow myself aboard most of the time without removing my shoes or undergoing a cavity search. Most of the time?!? hey, if John wants to search his cavities in the privacy of his own hanger - who are you to judge? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #7 September 28, 2005 QuoteQuote I have my own plane and I allow myself aboard most of the time without removing my shoes or undergoing a cavity search. Most of the time?!? I have been know to fly barefoot.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #8 September 28, 2005 Well, at least it proves they aren't just profiling people from the M.E. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #9 September 28, 2005 Quote Well, at least it proves they aren't just profiling people from the M.E. We've known that for ever. Senator Kennedy, and the Canadian defense minister were also both refused boarding due to the 'no fly list'. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #10 September 28, 2005 Flying is not a right, you dislike their actions that much, feel free not to fly, but drive. Maybe John Madden has a spot for you on his bus... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #11 September 28, 2005 QuoteFlying is not a right, you dislike their actions that much, feel free not to fly, but drive. Maybe John Madden has a spot for you on his bus... Where does it say that people in rhe USA do NOT have the right to fly? Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #12 September 28, 2005 Did you hear a whooshing sound when you read the first post? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #13 September 30, 2005 QuoteDid you hear a whooshing sound when you read the first post? Nope. But I constantly hear americans talking about market forces and if you don't like some thing vote with your w3allet and how capitalism is such a great thing, etc etc. The airline industry is just anotehr business in the same scenario. If enough people get pissed off about the no-fly list and decide not to fly anymore, the airlines will eventually have to go to the TSA and get them to improve the no-fly process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #14 September 30, 2005 The first time I ever heard of a "no fly" list was in 1978 when I got grounded at Lake Elsinore for hook turning my piglet. My cries that going faster made it land better fell on deaf ears . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #15 October 1, 2005 <--- not an american. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #16 October 2, 2005 I found out that I'm on the "no fly" list last December, when trying to fly to Boston with my wife and two daughters for my parents 50th wedding anniversary. They won't give you a reason for why you're on the list, but I think it's because Thomas Brown is such a common name - Brown being the 4th or 5th most common family name in America. There was a lot of publicity last year about David Nelsons being denied boarding on planes because the asshole Fed'l govt had put their names on the list. So I don't know what conclusion to draw - other than that I won't even try to take my rig on a flight, unless some Fed'l PIG starts tearing my reserve container apart. I'm not a Muslim, I was born in fucking NYC for Chrissake, I was even working for Boeing on the morning of 9/11. So do you feel any safer if they let me fly with my family or not ? These Feds couldn't fuck their way out of a paper bag in whorehouse. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #17 October 2, 2005 QuoteI found out that I'm on the "no fly" list last December, when trying to fly to Boston with my wife and two daughters for my parents 50th wedding anniversary. They won't give you a reason for why you're on the list, but I think it's because Thomas Brown is such a common name - Brown being the 4th or 5th most common family name in America. There was a lot of publicity last year about David Nelsons being denied boarding on planes because the asshole Fed'l govt had put their names on the list. That really sucks. So much for free interstate travel. If only Billvon were President. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 October 3, 2005 Quote<--- not an american Since you reside in Boston, you are most certainly an american (notice the lower case a) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
