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The Falklands War was, however, initiated by the Argie generals, all male. Thatcher didn't have to lie to the Brits to justify re-taking the Falklands.

If she objected, she should have taken a stand. If she did object and was unable to lead, then she was too weak for the job.

Most of the stuff that I read, she was very for it. However, that is from this side of the pond.

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The Falklands War was, however, initiated by the Argie generals, all male. Thatcher didn't have to lie to the Brits to justify re-taking the Falklands.

If she objected, she should have taken a stand. If she did object and was unable to lead, then she was too weak for the job.

Most of the stuff that I read, she was very for it. However, that is from this side of the pond.

I don't think there was ever any doubt that the UK would defend sovereign territory against an invader. Again, it was not a war Maggie started and I doubt she was itching for a war with the Argies until they invaded. Like Bush1 and Kuwait, and unlike Bush2 and Iraq.

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Apparently, The show Commander in Chief brought in 16.2 million viewers. The largest group of viewers in 5 years on a Tuesday night. Wonder why that is? Is the country really ready for a woman President?

As for me, I'm not sure how I feel about having a woman President. Not saying she would do a bad job or couldn't handle the position, I just think that a male casts more of a leadership shadow. maybe we should start out with a woman VP and see how it goes.

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So, basically, what you are saying is that your experiences as a woman differ from mine?

(Seriously - Our experiences are as individuals. It belittles us to try to promote parity between groups and then to bemoan our experiences as caused by that grouping rather than our personal experience. If you've had bad experience from another because of your gender, then you have an issue with that specific individual to resolve, blaming it on some undefined "societal/culture/whatever" is lazy because it's not actionable, it also puts the responsibility on someone else to fix. I'd rather address individuals as problems come up rather than bemoan fate and cry about my situation.)

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Apparently, The show Commander in Chief brought in 16.2 million viewers. The largest group of viewers in 5 years on a Tuesday night. Wonder why that is?

Have you seen what else is on TV on tuesday night?

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I bet there are men that would vote for a woman based on gender alone also.

As there are women that would still vote against a female candidate, as they feel that a woman's place is in the home

So now we are back to anyone would vote for anybody else for whatever reason. The point is disproportionate bias as a result of a novelty (or at least new) condition. I hope the percentage of unreasoning nuts is small and the opposing nuts will tend to cancel each other out. But the more I know people the more I find that these polarized groups of activist nuts are a much bigger proportion of the populace than I originally thought.

Not to hijack a thread, but these are the best examples off the top of my head. The fact that greater than 50% of adult citizens think evolution is false, and that roughly 1/3 think astrology is accurate enough to put stock in, tells me that there is a high proportion of people that can not critical think their way out of a wet paper bag (even the new thin versions that can't be filled more than half way). Every reason you can think of to vote for or against somebody, no matter how ridiculous we may think it is, will come into play on election day. It's why most people making a serious run at high public office MUST come out as so wishy-washy.

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Apparently, The show Commander in Chief brought in 16.2 million viewers. The largest group of viewers in 5 years on a Tuesday night. Wonder why that is?

Have you seen what else is on TV on tuesday night?

I think Geena Davis brings in a lot of viewers too, though I'm not quite sure why. Isn't it competing against the crappy Family Edition of the Amazing Race?

TV is pretty messed up this year - everyone is putting big guns up in the 8pm slot on Thursday - Survivor, Alias, OC, Smallville, and the Chris Rock comedy. Most of these are serial shows, discouraging sampling back and forth, so there's going to be some winners and losers within a few weeks.

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just think that a male casts more of a leadership shadow.

I dont know about that. Look at Golda Meir and other prominent female leaders in World history. How about Elizabeth I. When she took the reigns of England it was dirt poor, by the time she died it was one of the richest countries in the World.

IMHO I dont think many Americans are ready for a woman prez. Hell look at the problems we have when it comes to issues of sex and sexuality.

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The Falklands War was, however, initiated by the Argie generals, all male. Thatcher didn't have to lie to the Brits to justify re-taking the Falklands.

If she objected, she should have taken a stand. If she did object and was unable to lead, then she was too weak for the job.

Most of the stuff that I read, she was very for it. However, that is from this side of the pond.

I don't think there was ever any doubt that the UK would defend sovereign territory against an invader. Again, it was not a war Maggie started and I doubt she was itching for a war with the Argies until they invaded. Like Bush1 and Kuwait, and unlike Bush2 and Iraq.

The Falklands were necessary for strategic sheep purposes.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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IMHO I dont think many Americans are ready for a woman prez. Hell look at the problems we have when it comes to issues of sex and sexuality. ***

but would't condee vs. hillary make for an interesting race?

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So, basically, what you are saying is that your experiences as a woman differ from mine?

(Seriously - Our experiences are as individuals. It belittles us to try to promote parity between groups and then to bemoan our experiences as caused by that grouping rather than our personal experience. If you've had bad experience from another because of your gender, then you have an issue with that specific individual to resolve, blaming it on some undefined "societal/culture/whatever" is lazy because it's not actionable, it also puts the responsibility on someone else to fix. I'd rather address individuals as problems come up rather than bemoan fate and cry about my situation.)

While in general agreement with what you say, the problem is a centuries old societal repression of women that remains in some forms today. While these must be addressed individually, the larger, societal problem cannot simply be ignored if we are to progress.

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IMHO I dont think many Americans are ready for a woman prez. Hell look at the problems we have when it comes to issues of sex and sexuality. ***

but would't condee vs. hillary make for an interesting race?

LOL. Yeah it would. Maybe a little celebrity boxing before one of the debates. Hey we could put it on pay per view and make a killing.

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IMHO I dont think many Americans are ready for a woman prez. Hell look at the problems we have when it comes to issues of sex and sexuality. ***

but would't condee vs. hillary make for an interesting race?

LOL. Yeah it would. Maybe a little celebrity boxing before one of the debates. Hey we could put it on pay per view and make a killing.

that i'd pay to see...

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While in general agreement with what you say, the problem is a centuries old societal repression of women that remains in some forms today. While these must be addressed individually, the larger, societal problem cannot simply be ignored if we are to progress.

Wow for a girl that was a very insightful thing to say!

Thanks for your input honey, I know we all appreciate it, but dont feel that you need to worry your pretty little head about it, sweetie.

You go girl!

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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Wow for a girl that was a very insightful thing to say!

Thanks for your input honey, I know we all appreciate it, but dont feel that you need to worry your pretty little head about it, sweetie. ***

AC, you crack me up.

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>but dont feel that you need to worry your pretty little head about it, sweetie.

Why should she hear about subjugation and repression? It's not relevant. So why should she waste her beautiful mind on something like that?

(with apologies to Barbara Bush)

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While in general agreement with what you say, the problem is a centuries old societal repression of women that remains in some forms today. While these must be addressed individually, the larger, societal problem cannot simply be ignored if we are to progress.

Sorry, I disagree. Problems are solved one person at a time. By overgeneralizing it, you take away the responsibility from the individual and put it on the establishment - a faceless impotent organization. It will hurt the cause as long people use that discussion to pass on the problem to 'someone' else.

It's easier to gripe, harder to be the best we can to live our lives as best we can and be good roles models for others.

The very 'group' you are looking at to fix your issue is same one that perpetuates it. I don't see why you think that's the best solution.

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While in general agreement with what you say, the problem is a centuries old societal repression of women that remains in some forms today. While these must be addressed individually, the larger, societal problem cannot simply be ignored if we are to progress.

Sorry, I disagree. Problems are solved one person at a time. By overgeneralizing it, you take away the responsibility from the individual and put it on the establishment - a faceless impotent organization. It will hurt the cause as long people use that discussion to pass on the problem to 'someone' else.

It's easier to gripe, harder to be the best we can to live our lives as best we can and be good roles models for others.

The very 'group' you are looking at to fix your issue is same one that perpetuates it. I don't see why you think that's the best solution.

OMG, that was an outstanding post. It applies to so many situations, not just this one... thx.

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While in general agreement with what you say, the problem is a centuries old societal repression of women that remains in some forms today. While these must be addressed individually, the larger, societal problem cannot simply be ignored if we are to progress.

Sorry, I disagree. Problems are solved one person at a time. By overgeneralizing it, you take away the responsibility from the individual and put it on the establishment - a faceless impotent organization. It will hurt the cause as long people use that discussion to pass on the problem to 'someone' else.

It's easier to gripe, harder to be the best we can to live our lives as best we can and be good roles models for others.

The very 'group' you are looking at to fix your issue is same one that perpetuates it. I don't see why you think that's the best solution.

Hmmmm, what, exactly, do you believe my solution to be?

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Hmmmm, what, exactly, do you believe my solution to be?

I don't know, I just know what you wrote at the top of this thing was a common statement that I really feel is counterproductive to many causes. I suspect your specific situation is sitting. In front of a computer. Doing fun stuff and occasionally blowing some time here like the rest of us. Oh, and you like skydiving and skydivers. Other than that, probably no different, yet still as special any anybody else in the world.

Sinker - Thanks, I read it on the back of a box of Golden Grahams.

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Hmmmm, what, exactly, do you believe my solution to be?

I don't know, I just know what you wrote at the top of this thing was a common statement that I really feel is counterproductive to many causes. I suspect your specific situation is sitting. In front of a computer. Doing fun stuff and occasionally blowing some time here like the rest of us. Oh, and you like skydiving and skydivers. Other than that, probably no different, yet still as special any anybody else in the world.

Sinker - Thanks, I read it on the back of a box of Golden Grahams.

You don't know, but you disagree?

My solution is ...dialogue. To discuss issues, exchange feelings and ideas. I hope that's not too liberal left for you, but if so ...well, I can live with that.

I accept honest disagreement with what I say but what I get mostly is members of the tribe perceiving another member not making the approved tribal gestures and noises so they socialy isolate, ridicule or kill the 'offender'. They say they disagree, but really they are pretty much reacting on a primitive level to a member of the tribe not acting 'correctly'.

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Hmmmm, what, exactly, do you believe my solution to be?

I don't know, I just know what you wrote at the top of this thing was a common statement that I really feel is counterproductive to many causes. (fluffery after the only real comment).

You don't know, but you disagree?

My solution is ...dialogue. To discuss issues, exchange feelings and ideas. I hope that's not too liberal left for you, but if so ...well, I can live with that.

I accept honest disagreement with what I say but what I get mostly is members of the tribe perceiving another member not making the approved tribal gestures and noises so they socialy isolate, ridicule or kill the 'offender'. They say they disagree, but really they are pretty much reacting on a primitive level to a member of the tribe not acting 'correctly'.

I don't know, once you write a solution instead of a very subjective and emotive perceived problem statement, then that dialogue would be fun. I only disagree with your problem statement. "I don't know" your solution because you offered none.

(If that last bit was not directed at me rather than just generalized grumbling, then skip the rest, but you seem to be coming at me with) "the approved tribal gestures and noises"....intending to "socialy isolate, ridicule or kill the 'offender'... pretty much reacting on a primitive level to a member of the tribe not acting correctly". It's funny that you throw that out as an accusation, but your last post is full of that very thing.

I'm serious in my responses to you and was enjoying the discussion until this last bit. I don't see how you consider my advocating us taking on these issues as an individuals rather than by expecting a socialize response or impotent public gesture to be nothing but a sincere contribution.

I hope that honest dialogue here is not too liberal for you. (What was that for anyway, were we not in a dialogue?)

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My solution is ...dialogue. To discuss issues, exchange feelings and ideas. I hope that's not too liberal left for you, but if so ...well, I can live with that.

I accept honest disagreement with what I say but what I get mostly is members of the tribe perceiving another member not making the approved tribal gestures and noises so they socialy isolate, ridicule or kill the 'offender'. They say they disagree, but really they are pretty much reacting on a primitive level to a member of the tribe not acting 'correctly'.

I don't know, once you write a solution instead of a very subjective and emotive perceived problem statement, then that dialogue would be fun. I only disagree with your problem statement. "I don't know" your solution because you offered none.

(If that last bit was not directed at me rather than just generalized grumbling, then skip the rest, but you seem to be coming at me with) "the approved tribal gestures and noises"....intending to "socialy isolate, ridicule or kill the 'offender'... pretty much reacting on a primitive level to a member of the tribe not acting correctly". It's funny that you throw that out as an accusation, but your last post is full of that very thing.

I'm serious in my responses to you and was enjoying the discussion until this last bit. I don't see how you consider my advocating us taking on these issues as an individuals rather than by expecting a socialize response or impotent public gesture to be nothing but a sincere contribution.

I hope that honest dialogue here is not too liberal for you. (What was that for anyway, were we not in a dialogue?)